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Thread ID: 58041	2005-05-19 16:25:00	BSA: Software Piracy 'Costs money' Reality Check: What if.......	CreightonBrown (5692)	PC World Chat

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356815	2005-05-20 07:44:00	I am ubsubscribing from this thread, it seemed relatively sound compared to some others I have had but feel it lacks that of knowledge development or trying to improve which was my intetion, [I may check back later sometime potentially] I know what you're saying in some of your posts, or at least are trying to say, but it sure is hard to read, Creighton. Maybe I've just had a long week and my brain's tired.	manicminer (4219)
356816	2005-05-20 07:47:00	And who listens to what Clark says?? Far too many people. You watch. Come September she will get voted in yet again. Or perhaps they don't listen to her but just vote who their friends are voting for.	manicminer (4219)
356817	2005-05-21 01:17:00	Returning to the topic, any losses are borne by the software development company and its resellers. Users of pirated or free software do not generally have a bank account in which they hoard their (occasionally ill-gotten) savings, so the money they save buys food, shoes for their kids or any number of retail items, so the economy of the country does not really suffer at all. Of course the software companies hike their prices to legit users to compensate for market "shrinkage" and those users pass on their additional costs (I do) so IMHO it all balances out in the wash. I'm no economist though, so no doubt the flaws in my logic will be pointed out in due course. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
356818	2005-05-21 01:31:00	I am ubsubscribing from this thread, it seemed relatively sound compared to some others I have had but feel it lacks that of knowledge development or trying to improve which was my intetion, [I may check back later sometime potentially] Don't lose heart CB, it takes all kinds to make a world. PJ :thumbs:	Poppa John (284)
356819	2005-05-21 02:10:00	Trying to (power trip) regulate and define what is essentially a freeform artwork at the moment, ie the internet and associated activities, is exactly what it does not need if the fantastic rate of development and innovation is to continue. Life is just too short to worry about whether everyone is getting their fair share of the pie down to the last crumb, look in the real world if you want to see real abuse of peoples rights. Their are more than enough ineffective regulations in the real world, without trying to police cyber-space as well. /rant over.	zqwerty (97)
356820	2005-05-21 09:10:00	the money they save buys food, shoes for their kids or any number of retail items, so the economy of the country does not really suffer at all . Of course that applies to shoplifters too . Think of the savings . :D the software companies hike their prices to legit users to compensate for market "shrinkage" and those users pass on their additional costs (I do) so IMHO it all balances out in the wash . That only works with a monopoly . Plenty of software developers and companies fail, we just don't hear about it much in NZ . But we all remember the dot . com boom and bust . Just because a good piece of software is invented doesn't mean it will sell . IT is still regarded as highly risky by investment markets . So successful businesses need to be paid for their products . Just like anything else in life .	Winston001 (3612)
356821	2005-05-21 09:28:00	Think of this 50 people want MS office 1 person downloads Openoffice 49 people want MS office It's not pirac hurting software producers, it's themselves committing suicide by making programs so blimming expensive that people turn to OS.	Edward (31)
356822	2005-05-21 09:37:00	ok, from the point of view of someone who uses free software, i cam a student, i cannot afford to purchase software such as photoshop cs ($700+ from memory) infact i dont think anyone other than businesses could justify that sort of purchase. When developing software and releasing it into the open market companies MUST incorporate the cost of development aspect into its final resale value, in which they do, which is why windows xp is over $300 to purchase (professional) and why microsoft for instance earned $2.6 billion for the quarter ending march 31. Think big, 4 quarters in a year, its been what 3 and a half years since xps release and its sales revenue has been slowly declining, thats ok, how much, 36.4 BILLION PLUS SINCE RELEASE!, they have a monopoly, other than osx and linux, what else is there, the large majority of software is designed for windows xp, its a crime. Maybe its because of little competition? but, ok, big deal, they earn alot, they own the rights, bring into the ethical debate of aids treatment, drugs companies such as merck sharpe and dome and pfizer restrict access to the patents of such drugs, all for money. Balance of economies situation, they sell bugger all drugs at a high price to african nations, or they sell alot, alot of aids drugs to african countires for a cheaper price but in the end the supply and demand has been established, therefore continued sales, lots of revenue, etc. In the end its all about money. Oh, and give me an good example of a big company going bust due o piracy????	Tux (606)
356823	2005-05-21 11:15:00	Good arguments guys . Firstly Edward, Microsoft Office Student is $198 . A computer is $1000 . Office for what it does is cheap . No ripoff . But if more and more people turn to Openoffice (I have) MS will have to reduce their prices and continually improve the suite . It is just business . MS will fade away one day . Secondly Tux, you mention pharmaceutical companies . Ask any investment advisor - these companies are dogs . They only look good if you don't examine their shareprice . They do make profits but Pfizer for example recently announced an 80% downturn . Big companies do not spring from the womb . They start as small companies and a very few manage to become large . At that point they come up against newer more nimble competitors, government regulators, and bureaucracy . MS has only been large for 20 years - no time at all . If Linux can be made as user-friendly for the average person - and it will, then bye bye MS .	Winston001 (3612)
356824	2005-05-21 12:14:00	a company will succeed if they develop a product that the consumer wants and possibly needs, if the company release another generic anti virus, then of course they're gonna go bust	Tux (606)
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