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| Thread ID: 58323 | 2005-05-28 06:29:00 | Why not possible for DSL without telecom homeline? | jesseycy (1046) | PC World Chat |
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| 359197 | 2005-05-28 09:12:00 | Actually don't pay your phone bill and they will cut off Jetstream. They did it to a friend of mine. Twice. He did owe about $600. tut tut... | pctek (84) | ||
| 359198 | 2005-05-28 10:14:00 | Actually don't pay your phone bill and they will cut off Jetstream. They did it to a friend of mine. Twice. He did owe about $600. tut tut... Hmm, interesting... pctek, did he use xtra jetstream though??? If it can be proven that one can indeed get "naked ADSL" by not paying my telecom bill, I'll certainly encourage my friend to do that.... Personally, Skype's quality is quite good.. That's what I use for my VoIP... |
jesseycy (1046) | ||
| 359199 | 2005-05-28 10:38:00 | Interesting. But if I can get 'naked' ADSL like Gibler says, then I don't understand why I can't just ring Telecom and cancel my homeline but keep my ADSL. Because Telecom owns the exchange, the equipment that inserts the adsl signal onto your cable pair, and the copper wire from the exchange to your house. If you want to use their assets, you pay Telecom for the privilege unless they have an agreement with another adsl provider to collect it for them. Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 359200 | 2005-05-28 11:15:00 | "Disconnection" for non payment is just a disabling of calling facility, not a physical disconnection but it leads to permanent and real disconnection which stops ADSL dead. | godfather (25) | ||
| 359201 | 2005-05-28 12:24:00 | What is the story with this skype thingy? | Cicero (40) | ||
| 359202 | 2005-05-28 22:02:00 | Another thought would be bitstresm, where you don't pay telecom at all? | Edward (31) | ||
| 359203 | 2005-05-28 22:03:00 | You do pay Telecom. Just indirectly. | manicminer (4219) | ||
| 359204 | 2005-05-29 02:40:00 | You rent the line and your share of the associated exchange equipment. You don't have to rent a phone instrument... you can provide your own if you want to make phone calls. To have an ADSL connection you must have a line. Therefore you must rent a line. If you don't rent the line, the fuses will be pulled. So ADSL won't work. Is that so difficult to understand? |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 359205 | 2005-05-29 05:54:00 | You rent the line and your share of the associated exchange equipment . You don't have to rent a phone instrument . . . you can provide your own if you want to make phone calls . To have an ADSL connection you must have a line . Therefore you must rent a line . If you don't rent the line, the fuses will be pulled . So ADSL won't work . Is that so difficult to understand? Actually, yes, it is diffcult to understand . . . . When you rent a homeline, you are subscribing for voice services with Telecom . . . . That I understand . . . . But let's say I use Orcon Bitstream, that fee of $49 . 95 per month doesn't just goes towards Orcon internet fees . . . A certain proportion of that goes to Telecom as well for the last mile connection from one of their telephone exchanges to your home / office . (So that they can maintain their equipment, I would presume) Now, if I use bitstream Internet, why am I forced to rent a homeline as well? Why must I be forced to take up voice services with my Internet? It's not like I don't want to pay Telecom (I already pay them indirectly through the bitstream connection fees), I just don't want to be forced to take up voice services with Internet |
jesseycy (1046) | ||
| 359206 | 2005-05-29 06:11:00 | But let's say I use Orcon Bitstream, that fee of $49.95 per month doesn't just goes towards Orcon internet fees... A certain proportion of that goes to Telecom as well for the last mile connection from one of their telephone exchanges to your home / office. (So that they can maintain their equipment, I would presume) jesseycy please quote your sources of information for that belief? I am not aware of any charges included to Telecom for the local loop, in the ADSL portion. All those charges are in the Telecom phone rental. The only extra charges would be for DSLAM exchange equipment, which has zero to do with phone services. The difficulty in "unbundling" the voice services from the pure "line rental" for the copper cable and junction cabinets is the KSO (Kiwi Share Option) which forces Telecom by law to provide certain services even when they are uneconomic, and allows them to recover the costs from all customers. (Averaging of costs). There indeed may be a case for a lower line charge where voice services are not used, but it's unlikely to be of any significant reduction unless you also get rid of the KSO. Then a percentage of all customers would not get, or would not be able to afford a phone connection in rural NZ. But, I would be interested to learn your information source which suggests that local loop charges are included in the ADSL charges. |
godfather (25) | ||
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