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Thread ID: 58129	2005-05-22 11:51:00	Qualifications	beetle (243)	PC World Chat

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357497	2005-05-23 08:50:00	I think the best thing a school leaver could do before they head off to uni, is go and get a job for a year or two, get a bit of life schools and develop a work ethic that will help you latter when you decide to go to uni. How many 17 or 18 year old actually know what they want to do?	plod (107)
357498	2005-05-23 09:43:00	sort of, i want to do a Bcom and computer science but not sure if they can go together AFAIK they still do - that's exactly what I did eons ago. You should be able to cross-credit the computer science papers to the B.Com. It's a good mix in the world of commerce, provided that's where you want to head....	andrew93 (249)
357499	2005-05-23 09:46:00	I think the best thing a school leaver could do before they head off to uni, is go and get a job for a year or two, get a bit of life schools and develop a work ethic that will help you latter when you decide to go to uni. How many 17 or 18 year old actually know what they want to do? The biggest issue with that approach is going from an income to no income - very very hard to do. IMO it's better to get the learning over with ASAP. You can get the work ethic and life skills in part time jobs or once you have your qualification(s). Just my opinion...	andrew93 (249)
357500	2005-05-23 09:58:00	The biggest issue with that approach is going from an income to no income - very very hard to do. IMO it's better to get the learning over with ASAP. You can get the work ethic and life skills in part time jobs or once you have your qualification(s). Just my opinion... thats what your parents are for? to support you while you study! Surely working for a year will help pay for your studies so a student loan won't be so much of a burden? Find an employer that likes the idea of furthering your education and get them to pay for you to study parttime, with a promise of work service of a certain period once finished, you both win. But yes i see your point. During my three year apprenticeship i spent a total of 4 months at AIT in Auckland(some of the best times i have had) all while being paid on full wages and accomadation and travel on the company. If your boss thinks you are worth it he will spend the money. Sorry for woffling on LOl	plod (107)
357501	2005-05-23 11:31:00	thats what your parents are for? to support you while you study! Surely working for a year will help pay for your studies so a student loan won't be so much of a burden? Find an employer that likes the idea of furthering your education and get them to pay for you to study parttime, with a promise of work service of a certain period once finished, you both win. But yes i see your point. During my three year apprenticeship i spent a total of 4 months at AIT in Auckland(some of the best times i have had) all while being paid on full wages and accomadation and travel on the company. If your boss thinks you are worth it he will spend the money. Sorry for woffling on LOl One or two years of work isn't going to make a bit of difference to the financial noose that is a student loan (unless you work two jobs while living with the parents and then stay with the parents to study, in which case you might be able to squeak by). Basic math: $5,000/yr for fees $5,000/yr for living costs ===== $10,000 year as a base sum, floor figure. That's a(n un)fair amount of repaying, especially if you go on for an advanced degree (with interest accruing every year thanks to the same govt. department responsible for one of the two certainties in life). If you can get a repayment deal (with say, $5k year for fees plus living stipend (or provided accomodation)), I'd say go for it, as long as you're not going to land up doing a job you hate, suffering through it in order to pay off the loan. Corollary to that is try and get a repay deal with partial-out clauses in the contract. I have a B.Sc. in Computer Science, took a year out to work (as a laminate cutter for a local benchtop fabricator, closest I got to using my degree was changing the rolls on the tag printers we use), now back at Uni going for a PG.Dip.Sci. (CS again) and then a Masters. Why? because a B.Sc. with a B-/C+ average doesn't look that good, plus I'm not ready to head overseas yet. And yes, I fully intend to join the brain drain (such as my brain is, probably improve the IQ of both countries ;)). I have a healthy chunk saved from last year, so as soon as the University says "thanks, but no thanks" I'm gone.	Rugrats (6953)
357502	2005-05-23 23:07:00	The local institutions for my industry churn out "qualified" people who cant work out how to connect 10 connections on a loom labelled 1 -10 to 10 sockets on a mixing desk also labelled 1 - 10, even when shown the 2 pieces of equipment and asked to put them together. Qualifications don't tend to mean much for those who know the people in the industry. Qualifications from one instatution that i won't name actually work against people. For amusment, some of us sit around sharing stories about the learnt incompetance of ex ***** students. I have no formal qualifications that are in any way relevent to the entertainment services industry. The quality of my work is known in what is a small and incestuous industry. That is far more qualification than any paper saying i have attended a course. The example i gave above, is from 3 "helpers" i was offered for a West Coast Harvest party. They had been on a sound engineering course for some weeks, and were billed as having some kind of background in the music industry. The price was right, as it was a work experiance thing for them, but they did not have a clue. I gave them 10 minutes to connect 3 sets of cables to the mixing desk. The first red cable had males liturally labelled 1 - 10, and were for running channels 1 -10 from a box on the stage that the microphones plugged in to. The second blue cable was also labelled 1- 10 and was for channels 11 - 16. The connecters on the desk were females labelled 1 - 16. The third cable was the retuns to run the amplifiers. Sensing uncertainty, i told them not to worry about the return cable if they weren't sure. After i climbed up a ladder hanging these and several power cables from hooks on the ceiling i came back down and found all three of them still looking at this impossable puzzle i had given them. They clearly didn't have a clue, and whatever it was they were taught was of no value in the live sound engineering world. They went away, for "5 minutes" and came back several hours later for the party were they got in for free. I felt ripped off. I think they were ripped off by there educators. I get much better milage out of totally unqualified people who are prepared to lift, carry, and set things up by my instruction, who ultimatly learn how to do it without my constant guidance.	personthingy (1670)
357503	2005-05-23 23:13:00	The local institutions for my industry churn out "qualified" people who cant work out how to connect 10 connections on a loom labelled 1 -10 to 10 sockets on a mixing desk also labelled 1 - 10, even when shown the 2 pieces of equipment and asked to put them together . Qualifications don't tend to mean much for those who know the people in the industry . Qualifications from one instatution that i won't name actually work against people . For amusment, some of us sit around sharing stories about the learnt incompetance of ex ***** students . I have no formal qualifications that are in any way relevent to the entertainment services industry . The quality of my work is known in what is a small and incestuous industry . That is far more qualification than any paper saying i have attended a course . The example i gave above, is from 3 "helpers" i was offered for a West Coast Harvest party . They had been on a sound engineering course for some weeks, and were billed as having some kind of background in the music industry . The price was right, as it was a work experiance thing for them, but they did not have a clue . I gave them 10 minutes to connect 3 sets of cables to the mixing desk . The first red cable had males liturally labelled 1 - 10, and were for running channels 1 -10 from a box on the stage that the microphones plugged in to . The second blue cable was also labelled 1- 10 and was for channels 11 - 16 . The connecters on the desk were females labelled 1 - 16 . The third cable was the retuns to run the amplifiers . Sensing uncertainty, i told them not to worry about the return cable if they weren't sure . After i climbed up a ladder hanging these and several power cables from hooks on the ceiling i came back down and found all three of them still looking at this impossable puzzle i had given them . They clearly didn't have a clue, and whatever it was they were taught was of no value in the live sound engineering world . They went away, for "5 minutes" and came back several hours later for the party were they got in for free . I felt ripped off . I think they were ripped off by there educators . I get much better milage out of totally unqualified people who are prepared to lift, carry, and set things up by my instruction, who ultimatly learn how to do it without my constant guidance . Pm me next time, I'm sure my 7 year old could help you out, He manages to connect the sky decoder up by putting the different colour plugs into the right sockets and he knows his numbers pretty well!	plod (107)
357504	2005-05-23 23:25:00	Pm me next time, I'm sure my 7 year old could help you out, He manages to connect the sky decoder up by putting the different colour plugs into the right sockets and he knows his numbers pretty well! Its OK, i'm training up a helper, and my buisenuss partner knows enough about my side of the gear (sound) to be able to set it up herself if needed. However if we get desperate....... :p	personthingy (1670)
357505	2005-05-23 23:32:00	:2cents: In some areas you need a degree (accounting), not really sure why . I remember in my second job, as I was studying part time, we had our new graduates come in on their first day . The first thing we told them was to forget everything they had been taught, and we would re-train them . Makes you wonder why they had to get a degree in the first place .	Obelix (752)
357506	2005-05-23 23:41:00	:2cents: In some areas you need a degree (accounting), not really sure why . I remember in my second job, as I was studying part time, we had our new graduates come in on their first day . The first thing we told them was to forget everything they had been taught, and we would re-train them . Makes you wonder why they had to get a degree in the first place . This is why I think a little work experiance in the field you want to work in goes a long way before you start to study, even if it is just to get the boss coffee .	plod (107)
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