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| Thread ID: 58562 | 2005-06-04 05:01:00 | Apple Going to Intel Chips? | vinref (6194) | PC World Chat |
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| 361191 | 2005-06-08 13:49:00 | Any how, I was merely answering Plod's question in relation to the different companies ( as in hardware manufacturers actually manufacture hardware, pretty simple concept) . HP, Dell, and Acer are different beasts then the likes of Asus, Gigabyte, ECS, and so on . There are certainly huge gray areas, The explanation given was simplistic for obvious reasion, Though that didn't work and we still had Plod confused and something about Boeing As for the Planes, I don't know about planes, Don't care about planes, I was talking about computers and hardware . Still, Learn something new everyday, Macboys take someone pointing out that Apple don't manufacture the internal components as a slur . Certainly a breed apart . A bit like the greens . |
Metla (12) | ||
| 361192 | 2005-06-08 14:16:00 | But what I want to know is, will the move to Intel mean anything significantly different/better for users? Users have made a fairly significant investment in the hardware - I do hope they will be supporting the PPC hardware for a while to come. It would be very uncool if they did MS' trick and try to force everyone into different hardware by bloating/changing the OS. | vinref (6194) | ||
| 361193 | 2005-06-08 14:25:00 | I think Microsoft should split to avoid confusion. Microsoft for the software Microhard for the keyboards/mouses they make :D Come to think of it some of the Microsoft Software is partly manafactured by Microsoft, but they also use code pinched from other OS's.... so maybe they are software assemblers not developers. |
Rob99 (151) | ||
| 361194 | 2005-06-08 21:29:00 | What developers are saying here (www.macworld.com) Samples: Panic: While definitely mind-bending news, to the end user it means nothing more than faster, shinier, better Macs down the road. That’s it, and that’s a very good thing… To be honest, we don’t have any concerns from a technical standpoint. It’s going to be infinitely easier than the OS 9 to OS X transition. We’re just ready to dig in and get transitioning! — Cabel Sasser, co-founder Hamrick Software: This is terrific news, if it increases the size of the market for Mac OS X. In particular, if Mac OS X runs on other vendor’s processors, this could significantly increase the market for Mac OS X applications like VueScan. Worth a read (Macs Go Intel: What Does It All Mean?) The main question now facing filmmakers is whether to buy a Mac now or wait up to two years for the new Intel Macs to arrive. One would need a crystal ball to know for sure but I suggest that current Macs are still a safe bet. G5's still give Intel chips a run for their money so it's not like you'll be buying a considerably slower computer than you could be if the Intel-based Macs were available now. And future versions of software should still be safe to run on current machines. Apple's development software will make it possible for software authors to create "Universal Binaries" that will install software onto either an Intel-based or PowerPC-based Mac. So, next year's version of Final Cut Pro should still work on this year's PowerMac. Incidentally, Filmmaker thinks one reason apple's switching to Intel is for their hardware DRM system that will allow secure downloading of digital movies. Personally, I think that's a little far-fetched. But a week ago, I though Apple switching to Intel was just a crazy rumor. |
Strommer (42) | ||
| 361195 | 2005-06-09 10:19:00 | But a week ago, I though Apple switching to Intel was just a crazy rumor . I think most people did considering it comes up every year before WWDC . :) There doesn't seem to be a good summary of the main details regarding the transition which were mentioned at the keynote in this thread so I have included one below: As with previous years, Apple CEO Steve Jobs presented the annual WWDC keynote in San Francisco . While it did not focus on a brand new operating system as it has done in previous years, it did reveal the company's transition to Intel processors and a number of important company statistics . Apple revealed that the iPod has a 76 percent market share and the iTunes Music Store has sold more than 430 million songs, giving it 82 percent of the online music market . Over 8000 Podcasts are now available from both major radio and network broadcasters, as well as newspapers, magazines and regular internet sites . iTunes will soon list of thousands of Podcasts and give users the ability to subscribe to their favourites . Mac shipments experienced growth of 40% in last nine months, three times rate of rest of industry . This week Apple will ship the two millionth copy Mac OS X 10 . 4 Tiger, Apple's most successful operating system yet . There are now over 40 Spotlight plugins, over 400 Dashboard widgets and over 500 Automator actions . Tiger represents 16% of the Mac user base while Panther accounts for 49% . By this time next year Tiger should have reached half of the Mac user base . There have been five major versions of Mac OS X over last five years . In that timeframe Microsoft released Windows XP . The next version of Mac OS X will be called Leopard and will be available late 2006 to early 2007, around the time Microsoft will launch Longhorn . There are now 109 Apple Stores worldwide . There have been two major transitions in Mac history . The first being the shift from 68k processors to the PowerPC in the mid-nineties while Steve Jobs was away from the company . The second is the shift from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X which has set Apple up for next twenty years . Apple is now entering its third major transition, shifting its product lines from the PowerPC to Intel processors . Steve gave a number of reasons for this change . The first being the fact his promise of a 3 . 0GHz PowerMac was made two years ago and has still not been achieved . There is no G5 in the PowerBook line and Apple can't build future products with current PowerPC roadmap . Intel processors offer better power consumption, with 70 units of performance for every watt rather than 15 units per watt with PPC processors . This time next year Apple will be shipping Macs with Intel processors and in two years, at the 2007 developers conference, the transition should be almost complete . There are two major challenges . The first is making Mac OS X run on Intel processors . Steve revealed what many already suspected: Mac OS X has been leading a secret double life . Every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel processors and this has been going on for last five years, making it cross platform by design . In fact, the whole keynote presentation was run on an Intel based PowerMac . In terms of getting applications ready for the new processors, Widgets will just work, Cocoa applications will need a few minor tweeks (which should only take a few days) and a recompile and Carbon applications will also require a few tweeks (expected timeframe of a few weeks) and a recompile . Metrowerks users are advised to move to Xcode . Over half of the top 100 Mac developers are using Xcode and 25% are planning on switching . Less than 20% are not onboard yet . The new version, Xcode 2 . 1, allows you to build for PowerPC and Intel processors, creating a single universal binary . Developers can create one CD that supports both processors . Steve also brought a number of key developers on stage, for example, Wolfram Research which converted the source code of Mathmatica, which is mostly made up of modern C++ code, but contains a lot of 'ancient code', to a universal binary in less then two hours . Not every application is going to be universal from day one . Rosetta, a new addition to Tiger, will allow users to run existing PPC binaries on Intel processors . It is a dynamic binary translator that is transparent to users . It is lightweight, fast and not noticeable to the users like Classic was . Mac OS X is already 'singing on Intel processors' and Apple has released a Developer Transition Kit which includes a 3 . 6GHz Pentium 4 running Mac OS X 10 . 4, a pre-release of Intel version of Xcode 2 . 1, a porting guide and more . These machines have to be returned by end of 2006 and are for selected Premier ADC users only . They are priced at US$999 and will be shipping in two weeks . Most people are hearing about the transition to Intel for the first time today, unless you read Wallstreet Journal (or the many other websites reporting similar information) . Microsoft has been making Mac software for more than 20 years and the team has been working with Apple engineers to develop universal binaries of Office and other applications . Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe - a company that has also been around for over 20 years - assured viewers that they can be absolutely sure that Adobe applications will run natively on new Intel based Macs . Adobe will be first with a complete line of applications . He also asked Steve: "What took you so long?" to start using Intel processors . Intel's CEO appeared on stage to explain how they got here today . He talked of a Silicon Valley story going back almost four decades . The connection between the two companies occured when the both were young organisations, in fact Adobe's founders were early investors in Apple and one of their wives was Apple's first VP of HR . Apple switched to the PowerPC and Intel launched Pentium in 1993 . Competition heated up, it was so intense Apple burned Intels 'bunny person' . No grudge . Intel took it as a message that their chips were too hot and now in 2005 they are running a lot cooler than many competitors' chips . The transition not going to happen overnight . Lots of great PowerPC products are still to come but Apple wants developers to start creating universal binaries of their applications now . There are over 500 Apple engineers onsite at WWDC 2005 to offer advice and aid developers who brought their source code along with them . Next year Steve will tell us about Mac OS X 10 . 5 Leopard . |
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