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Thread ID: 59101 2005-06-21 11:44:00 CREATION OF UNIVERSE ahmetcelik (8397) PC World Chat
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365848 2005-06-21 11:44:00 [Edit: Post and URL's removed]

[Please do not spam the board yet again with links and that generic post about this topic/website]
ahmetcelik (8397)
365849 2005-06-21 12:05:00 Two interesting Web pages, which show that the author has tried to do some homework even if you do not agree his viewpoint. Needs some later references.
( And belongs in the other forum..)
We can see our Forum philosophers having fun with this one.
I liked Hoyle's Continuous Creation idea - pity the facts got in the way..
TonyF (246)
365850 2005-06-21 15:36:00 Yes, definitely belongs in the other forum. Laura (43)
365851 2005-06-21 18:43:00 Seems to me that those 2 websites mentioned above are equally sensitive to this link (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz) as well. Renmoo (66)
365852 2005-06-22 01:06:00 The very manipulative and fraudulent movement called "Creation science". All the rage in the US now, conducted mostly by lawyers and politicians. vinref (6194)
365853 2005-06-22 05:00:00 Oh dear. So this was a creationist link? Darn. Missed out on all that knowledge. ;) Winston001 (3612)
365854 2005-06-22 05:14:00 Numbnuts out pushing their numbnut movements tend to do just this - they spam bulletin boards. And so if you google for their user name you get lotsa hits.

And creation science is one numbnut movement. It is not a theory, but an attempt to discredit the rigorous science that supports evolutionary theory. Hence the preponderance of lawyers and politicians. They accept many elements of evolution theory, but only so far as it supports their position - that there is "something" or "someone" out there - the intelligent designer. They refuse to identify this "intelligent designer" though, which makes the movement appealing to all religions, spiritual movements, UFOlogists, satanists, yada yada yada...
vinref (6194)
365855 2005-06-22 06:34:00 Now for something interesting.


For immediate release 22 June 2005

Wine Makers Furious at Two Tax Increases in One Month

New Zealand wineries and grapegrowers are furious that the government has announced yet another tax increase on wine, the 2nd in just one month.

Industry anger follows the decision by the government to increase the ALAC (Alcoholic Liquor Advisory Council) levy as from 1 July, less than a month after the government increased the excise on wine.

The increase in the ALAC tax lifts the ALAC levy payable on table wine by 14% to 4.93 cents per litre, while the tax on fortified wine also lifts by 14% to 8.04 cents per litre. The increase follows an increase of 5 cents per litre in the excise payable on table wine on 1 June, while the excise on fortified wine lifted 25 cents per litre at that time.

“We complained about two tax increases in one month last year, and now it has happened again. One tax increase is bad enough, but two in a month just adds insult to injury. It is simply not fair” said Philip Gregan, Chief Executive Officer of New Zealand Winegrowers.
Cicero (40)
365856 2005-06-22 06:41:00 Two taxes ? Not a problem - one was meant to be in the parallel universe TonyF (246)
365857 2005-06-22 12:25:00 Bacchus - now there's a god I can relate to. Biggles (121)
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