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Thread ID: 59093	2005-06-21 09:03:00	CCNA or Network+	thenzengineer (8172)	PC World Chat

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365801	2005-06-21 09:03:00	Hi, This question has probably come up a lot, but I just wanted to know which one should I do. For a fact I know CCNA has 4 modules and few schools teach Module 1. So why should I waste money getting a NETWORK+ when CCNA seems to start from the ground up. The course which I am also doing "National Diploma in Electrotechnology" offers CCNA 1+2 and CCNA 2+4 as part of the second year course. And was that is done not only do I get credits towards the Diploma I can also appear the CCNA exam. I dont know should I do some Network+ training and then do the CCNA thing from AUT. I would like to be the guy who does the dirty work such as cabling the wires physically from room to room, cutting them etc to being the guy who designs the network and creates the blueprint. If CCNA is at a higher level wont it teach me the second part. I am more intrested in the cabling part that the designing part. Any advice?	thenzengineer (8172)
365802	2005-06-21 09:31:00	I cannot help you to decide what courses to take as I am of a different trade, Industrial Electrician. I DO agree with you to "get amongst the dirty work" It Will give you an insight into the real world of the bloke on the tools who has to carry out hairbrained schemes, from above. In my case it was trying to 'edumicate' Electrical Engineers' with brand new pieces of paper, more highly qualified & paid than me (Or is that "I"? ) "Yes Fred that one with the plasic handle & the pointy end IS the screwdriver, the other one is a hammer" Spare me days mate. PJ :eek:	Poppa John (284)
365803	2005-06-21 10:04:00	Network+ is easy but wont count for much in the real world. CCNA will do most good in the real world.	robsonde (120)
365804	2005-06-21 10:27:00	Hi, I dont know should I do some Network+ training and then do the CCNA thing from AUT. I would like to be the guy who does the dirty work such as cabling the wires physically from room to room, cutting them etc to being the guy who designs the network and creates the blueprint. If CCNA is at a higher level wont it teach me the second part. I am more intrested in the cabling part that the designing part. Any advice? Then don't do either. Do Krone Master Installer. (There is Designer one too.) This is specifically for structured cabling. I know there is a lady working in Network Engineering at ITSS at Akld Uni who is leaving (although not sure when), so theres going to be an opening for a new cabler. They do the cabling, installs and maintenance and a bit of hub/switch install stuff, patch panels, wall outlets etc etc. All except the floor switches and all that Cisco stuff. (thats done by Data Engineering - hey, I didn't name the depts) Or contact one of the data cabling companies and see what openings they may have coming up. The Krone course is easy....and they provide scrum lunches too. Oh the Uni lady was entry level when she started so no need for masses of experience.	pctek (84)
365805	2005-06-21 11:31:00	Network+ is not vendor specific, so in that sense it is alot more basic. Having said that, it's alot more thorough at the same time. Doing Network+ will help you understand alot more clearly networking in general and in the past, and will aid phenomenally in further studies. It provides you with a firm solid grounding, but as it is not specific to any job, it won't get you a qualification by itself. CCNA, on the other hand, is not all that hard either - the issue with it is the fact that you have to learn to use a Cisco IOS, and so you will be trained in the basic installation of Cisco routers. This will help get you a job doing exactly that - but not much, untill you build on it with further study. They do it in secondary schools nowadays, so it can't be too difficult :) Personally, CCNA is a goal because it puts me one step closer to CCIE - which brings minium 6 digit salaries with it. Having done Network+, I can recommend it for what it makes you memorise (tables and tables). Speaking from experience, many people put most CompTIA certifications down, claiming them to be easy and worthless, when most haven't even sat them. CCNA won't teach you everything Network+ will, and vice versa - but I'd do Network+ first then CCNA... /edit: IMHO ofcourse.	Growly (6)
365806	2005-06-21 23:04:00	I've done Version 2 of CCNA 1-4 and found it quite easy, I hear Version 3 is a lot worse when it comes to reading... soooo much reading material. I think CCNP is where you will find more on proper Router/Switch management and usage	bob_doe_nz (92)
365807	2005-06-22 00:16:00	Given the current market. CCNA is a good stepping stone. It is an internationally recognised Qualification. CCNP is the next step beyond that. If you can complete these courses with real world experience, you will be on a firm footing for a very good career. One danger is that "network infrastructure work" is declining and services carried on that is increasing. This is because once it is installed it runs well. i.e. it is very reliable. Try to ensure that any study you do will let you be a strong IT Generalist (i.e. Networks, Servers, Applications and Security)	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
365808	2005-06-22 10:01:00	Large number of replies and that is very good, the "Krone Master Installer" thing sounds quite intresting . Tried searching in google but can't seem to find anything related to it in New Zealand . pctek if you know of any places were I can get further information about Krone, that would be great . As "Growly" said Network+ is not vendor specific . I dont just want to pass CCNA I want to pass it with understanding what is in the course . At school I basically passed everythings but once I finished the exam after a day or two I would not be able tp remember a thing I learned in that course . I also though about it this way . I dont have a lot of networking experience, just your very basic stuff . Network+ seems to have a lot of practical stuff mixed with theory from what I have heard and it seems once i finish it I can do Server+ and Security+ which seems to be fun and intresting . I think "Krone Master Installer" course mixed with a "CCNA" qualification might be a good combination . I have looked at few Network+ book as I said before even though I dont know a lot about networking it seems easy . But lots of practical involved which is the only way I learn . Have a nice day __________________________________________________ _______________ Krone Master Installer course - Can you get student loan for this kind of course? If I can't its out of the question for me .	thenzengineer (8172)
365809	2005-06-22 11:33:00	One more thing what would be the price I would be expecting to pay for Network+ training in Auckland. Few hundreds or thousands as I have heard from some.	thenzengineer (8172)
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