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Thread ID: 150531	2022-03-13 22:01:00	Petrol versus Electric	kenj (9738)	PC World Chat

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1484933	2022-03-13 22:01:00	Was wondering about a new car as my Suzuki Vitara 1.6L, auto, 2WD is now 6 years old. We have only driven a tad over 30000K in it so probably, at our age, it is not worth even thinking of a new car. Being retired and having not much to do bar watching the tennis, it got me thinking. Two problems, supply of electric cars and price comparison with petrol cars. Looked at Mitsubishi just as a brand as they have what I would require. I need a SUV as I have real problems getting in and out of cars. The Suzuki is good for that. Looked at the cheapest in both petrol and electric for comparison. ASX LS Auto, petrol, 7.6L/100Km, 2WD costs $27,990 + ORC After May 31st there will be a $580 petrol powered penalty to then cost $28570 Outlander PHEV, 1.6L/100Km costs $60990 +ORC. After 31st May there will be a $5750 electric power credit to then cost $55240 Difference being $26670 which would buy petrol to take the ASX a total of 117000Km. Then the power and petrol consumption needed for the PHEV has to be taken into consideration for the same distance. To hard to work out but the petrol costs would be around $1850 @ $3/L which would add around 15000K to the ASX figures. Maintenance costs not considered but would probably be similar. As I see it, it's not worth considering? The manufacturers will have to look at bringing out a cheaper model although I don't know what costs are in that case. Petrol engines are complex to make and assemble but batteries are expensive? Your thoughts on my calculations please. Ken :)	kenj (9738)
1484934	2022-03-13 22:40:00	The argument for a full BEV is possibly a little different as maintenance costs are "supposed" to me much lower. No oil, very little brake pads, no filters. So I don't know what the servicing costs are. LDV just came out with a ute, that you might be able to use for comparison as it's one of the cheaper full electric higher up vehicles. So that may change your payback period slightly (unsure if AA publish a $ per km change for PHEV or BEV vehicles) Given you're comparing a PHEV then yes only the l/100km figure would change. And you're paying a price premium for the vehicle, and still needing petrol (admittedly less)	psycik (12851)
1484935	2022-03-13 22:56:00	We can neither afford nor justify an electric vehicle. It's just too expensive, although we quite agree with the concept. We don't think that the savings make up for the initial cost. We do not do enough miles to make it worthwhile.	Roscoe (6288)
1484936	2022-03-13 22:57:00	I'll wait till the SHEV models come out.	Driftwood (5551)
1484937	2022-03-13 23:01:00	I just bought my step mother a new Mitsubishi Cross Eclipse PHEV- She drives out to Takapau every morning at 2AM to work in the freezing works from Napier then drives home, what a trip to do 5x a week. It cost just over $50k with the upgrades. She uses the EV Mode on it to drive 3/4 of the way and then it switches to gas for the rest of it. On gas it sorta charges the battery, but she can charge it at the works and then come home the same. Has cut her gas bill down far enough that over it's life we expect it to come out cheaper, not by much though.. She also uses the battery around town when doing shopping or errands, basically has to fill it once or twice a month, which is a huge improvement from 3-4 times every 2 weeks. As petrol is continuing to creep up (they're saying it'll hit $4/L and who knows when or if it will significantly come back down) it starts to make more sense I guess but hey- she's just thrilled with the power you get from the electric motor and how nice it is to drive.	baabits (15242)
1484938	2022-03-13 23:16:00	I was looking at maintenance cost from the ripoff point of view. I don't think dealers make a mint on new cars and, like McDonalds "would you like fries with that?" method of increasing sales, they will not drop servicing costs. Servicing cost are the cream on the top for them. They will say the engine oil needs changing in a PHEV just the same as the petrol models even though it's only doing 10-20% of the work. New car dealers really flog in the charges and tell you in a questionable way that you have to come to them for warranty reasons which is completely untrue. As long as you use the manufacturers parts the work can be done by any certified mechanic. Ken	kenj (9738)
1484939	2022-03-13 23:19:00	I was looking at maintenance cost from the ripoff point of view. I don't think dealers make a mint on new cars and, like McDonalds "would you like fries with that?" method of increasing sales, they will not drop servicing costs. Servicing cost are the cream on the top for them. They will say the engine oil needs changing in a PHEV just the same as the petrol models even though it's only doing 10-20% of the work. New car dealers really flog in the charges and tell you in a questionable way that you have to come to them for warranty reasons which is completely untrue. As long as you use the manufacturers parts the work can be done by any certified mechanic. Ken yeah my comments re: maintenance are more BEV based. As no petrol engine to service. The only BEV that stacks up for round town only driving is a 2nd hand leaf. The rest are all too expensive, haven't been in the 2nd hand market long enough to drop the prices. A leaf can start at $10k up to 20ish I think	psycik (12851)
1484940	2022-03-13 23:25:00	yeah my comments re: maintenance are more BEV based. As no petrol engine to service. The only BEV that stacks up for round town only driving is a 2nd hand leaf. The rest are all too expensive, haven't been in the 2nd hand market long enough to drop the prices. A leaf can start at $10k up to 20ish I think And possibly a bit of a pig in a poke as far as battery life goes do you think? Ken	kenj (9738)
1484941	2022-03-13 23:28:00	And possibly a bit of a pig in a poke as far as battery life goes do you think? Ken Oh yes.....but depends how much driving over 100km you do. More monies = more range. But if looking at phevs for commutes, then this should be comparable. Oh there's a RAV phev as well.	psycik (12851)
1484942	2022-03-13 23:34:00	Oh yes.....but depends how much driving over 100km you do. More monies = more range. But if looking at phevs for commutes, then this should be comparable. Oh there's a RAV phev as well. Neighbour just bought a new RAV PHEV, Waited 9 months for it :( It was them buying it made me think about it. Ken	kenj (9738)
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