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Thread ID: 59349	2005-06-29 07:50:00	Home Ventilation systems	wmoore (6009)	PC World Chat

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368054	2008-01-08 01:57:00	[edit] - posted in wrong thread! :blush:	Greg (193)
368055	2008-01-08 02:16:00	Your poor wife & children. Tried anger management?? PJ :D :D :D Well, COD4 has been helping. There's nothing like double-tapping a gun-toting Russian Ultra-nationalist in the head with your silenced pistol to help induce a sense of calm.	Biggles (121)
368056	2008-01-08 03:30:00	Hardly, since the pic dates from my PCW days. I'm an angry man. Anyone will tell you. There must be some medicine apart from gaming that would help,poor Mrs,Buck. We are talking primal scream here.	Cicero (40)
368057	2008-01-08 05:58:00	Have to agree with you Surfer Joe. That is the reason we have a nose - to introduce humidity to the air we breath. Dry air is not the best for the human body. So why do you want to remove all the moisture in the air? And like the thread on the dehumidifiers: what's wrong with opening the doors and windows? It's simple, it's easy, it's non-polluting, uses no electricity. I heartily recommend the open window and open door policy as some have already said. Besides, as I understand it, the experts recommend keeping relative humidity (for humans) between 30% and 60%, with below 50% preferred to control dust mites.	Roscoe (6288)
368058	2008-01-08 15:23:00	Currently there's a lot of foot dragging on lawsuits for mold/spores in homes and the legitimate effect on human and pets . Typically . . . if a householder finds mold or fungi growing on a wet wall or one that was wet in some sort of water invasion, then the lawsuits fly . . against the original contractor/designer or the manufacturer of whatever device it is that failed and caused the water damage . The "diseases" proffered just aren't being caused by the lifeforms that grow in the walls or basements or whatever . . . according to some late emerging medical and scientific investigative results . The observed threats are (seemingly) becoming more and more suspect to juries who are now becoming hesitant to award the great gobs of money to those who present as life-threatened and lifestyle-diminished individuals/families and pets . Somehow the pseudo-science and personal injury attorneys saw a great big pile of free money and went for it . Since at the time there was NO real independent proof that these molds, etc might cause any effect on human or animal lungs that could not be naturally handled by the body, it was a vast arena that was rife with superstition and not with any true charts or history of actual deaths or infections: lawsuits and settlements were in the many-zeros-before-the-decimal category . The current re-think of the original precedent-setting trial cases has set the insurance industry on a new Quixotic tilt . . to debunk the theory that indeed these spores and fungi were actually dangerous or inconsistent with a safe environment in the first place . Medically there is very little corroborating evidence that there is any cause-effect with these lifeforms either . Your great aunt Matilda or her ugly step-sister say just the opposite . I know there are some who will knee-jerk this and dismiss the new scientific results . . which are still trickling in . . . and say that they have personally had their lifespan(s) decreased, their gravidity diminished or sperm-counts are impinged or their house pets have a decreased symbiotic relationship with them . Coughing, copious nasal discharges and pneumonia-like diseases etc are always suspect by social malcontents who would find a likely cause (for them) in modern lifestyles and supposed or suggested chemical intrusions into their lungs, eyes, bodies . . etc . Maybe they should be looking at the black helicopters and checking them out for these aerobic problems . Mercury has recently come to light as NOT the- or any- primary cause or mitigating agent of Alzheimer's disease . In newer and more strict environmentally regulated laws and results of those laws, mercury has not been evident in medically diagnosed cases of Alzheimer's, and yet the cases continue to multiply . Even if mercury containment and much less environmental exposure had been cut by even a small percentage point . . the original "scientific proof" (which had no real scientific proof at all) that mercury was indeed the primary cause of the condition, would now be showing serious inroads to control or incidences of the condition in real life experiences and observed happenings . There's less mercury, yet Alzheimer's still incidentally climbs at astounding idiopathic percentages . Back to the invading spores/fungi/mold cases which are just now seeing daylight and it now appears that fiberglass also isn't the bad guy most suspect or have heard of from the knee of their grandmothers and crazy aunts that every family keeps in the attic . Asbestos is VERY MUCH A BAD GUY however . . . . . . . . . . . . . . so is drowning . . . . . so are gunshot wounds . . . and direct irradiation from Chernobyl-like situations . Molds are slightly more suspect . . as we all know that deeply inhaling the spores every day for the next 75 years might cause some respiratory distress . . . . but the time cause-and-effect is yet to be accurately seen outside of a laboratory and truly not on humans . It's not that humans are or are not affected by spores, etc . . but no-one has volunteered to allow themselves to be a laboratory rat for their whole lifespan so that accurate results could be observed . They are looking for volunteers, however . Free meals, clothing and a GREAT medical plan all included . Mice that were force-fed vast amounts of suspected spores have gained some weight and grown lethargic . . . but their lungs are still clear and normally functional at the time of dissection . Mice have not voiced opposition to laboratory lifestyles . . at least they have not presented any viable demands . Lungs on those animals forced to live in an artificially induced, heavily-laden atmosphere of fungi, molds and spores have shown some encapsulation of the invading lifeforms, but overall the effect is minimal at worst, non-existent at the least . Rats don't live all that long anyway . My opinion . . for what it's worth is to not let black mold run down my interior walls should I have any (mold, not the walls part) . . . and not to deeply inhale or sniff any strange lifeforms . But that's just me .	SurferJoe46 (51)
368059	2008-01-08 19:26:00	Currently there's a lot of foot dragging on lawsuits for mold/spores in homes and the legitimate effect on human and pets . That would be cause there is a tendency to build your house fully sealed . Put polystyrene under the floor . Put the stuff in the walls, seal the windows and doors . Then of course it sweats so you have to buy dehumidifiers or ventilation systems . Its stupid .	pctek (84)
368060	2008-01-08 20:13:00	pctek: Are you certain it is stupid? Perhaps it is a conspiracy combined with a good sales pitch to make the uninitiated and gullible buy these systems to cope with a problem that should not really exist. As has already been said, why not treat the cause? Open the doors and windows! It's not difficult - even a child could do it! We have quarter-light windows that are open all the time, except in the coldest of Auckland weather. Security catches on them stop the burglars but not the fresh air. An easy, simple, no cost solution. Why not try it?	Roscoe (6288)
368061	2008-01-08 20:19:00	As has already been said, why not treat the cause? Open the doors and windows! It's not difficult - even a child could do it! 1] Open windows does not lower humidity. Excess Humidity causes discomfort. 2] Opening windows does not help asthma/hay fever sufferers who want to lower the amount of allergens in their atmosphere. 3] The HRV and similar systems are designed to also provide a base heating solution, while also providing filtered air for those suffering from allergies/asthma	Biggles (121)
368062	2008-01-09 00:14:00	Ordinary LPG heater (non flued). Every kg of LPG burnt, will put 1 kg of water into the room. 9 kg bottle = 9 kg water! That's a heck of a lot of condensation. Flued heater, no condensation. Problem solved.	BobM (1138)
368063	2008-01-09 00:24:00	1] Open windows does not lower humidity. Excess Humidity causes discomfort. Ah yes. Auckland. Who all need air conditioning. But I wasn't talking about the climate. I meant sealed up modern houses. Which is a different thing altogether.	pctek (84)
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