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Thread ID: 59359	2005-06-29 23:41:00	PC World Reviews 19" LCDs	KiwiTT_NZ (233)	PC World Chat

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368113	2005-07-01 03:40:00	I can't very well list the lowest price I find on www.dodgy1manbusiness.co.nz. The safest and fairest price to list is the manufacturers RRP. Are you saying 1 man companies are dodgy? Seems like a slur to me.Besides, The thread starter just made a query, not an attack. Surely you lot would rather honest feedback? No need to go on the defensive. Hell, Some crackerhead Mac lover accused me of being in the business of selling gear designed to fail just the other day on this forum and I took it in my stride. Muhahaha. Perhaps the one and only time I didn't raise holy hell......	Metla (12)
368114	2005-07-01 03:43:00	Reading a commentary, is a little like reading an opinion . I like to see this opinion substitiated by facts . i . e . test results . Even websites publish test results for tech they test, why not magazines, or have magazines just become glorified brochures . You can't compare online review websites to printed magazines . They have virtually unlimited space that allows them to write (and write and write and write . . . ) as well as being able to publish screeds of graphs and charts . Print magazines have a set number of (costly, glossy, colour) pages available . I had seven pages to work with to try and convey my test results in . I decided it would be more useful to provie a chart containing all the specifications for each monitor to enable our readers to quickly compare features that may or may not be important to them . My test results I turned into capsule reviews that I thought would be easy to read and convey my findings quickly and clearly to you guys . You can almost guarantee that if I'd run the test result chart in place of the specs chart I'd have people complaining about that instead . I didn't have space for both . Unfortunately . Glorfied brochures? If you had any idea the grief we get from vendors you'd soon change that opinion . Bruce and I attack these features and reviews from the perspective of the consumer (that's what we are after all) . We take the stance of being an advocate for the consumer (that's you) . When someone tries to tell us they think we're acting on behalf of the vendor or are in some way dictated to by advertising dollars, well, I wonder why I even bother .	Scott Bartley (836)
368115	2005-07-01 03:49:00	I have a set amount of space in the magazine to squeeze my feature into, ....One extra sheet in the magazine, would have given you two extra pages. Are you saying that if I want more extra information, I should refer to the web for more in-depth coverage, because they have more space. If so, you are changing my perception of a magazine and the role it fills in today's media world. I still think the awarding of Editor's Choice should be backed up by test result's printed in comparison to others. I decided it would be more useful to provie a chart containing all the specifications for each monitor to enable our readers to quickly compare featuresAll ? What about whether it is a 6-bit or 8-bit LCD ?	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
368116	2005-07-01 03:51:00	I hardly ever read their "tests" anymore . I'm convinced their tests are just copied from their American cousins . Edited with local prices etc . IMO the mag has deterioated to such an extent that it is now not worth buying . (Though I still do . Habit) This downhill slide started when Peter Kane left . Has anybody else noticed they no longer keep telling us about their record sales figures? You say the magazine has deteriorated some much it's not worth buying . . . yet you still buy it? :groan: Sure we take stuff off the wire from overseas . Name me one publication (or broadcaster for that matter) that doesn't . But we produce as much local content as money allows (which is quite a lot considering hwo small NZ is) . My LCD feature was all local .	Scott Bartley (836)
368117	2005-07-01 03:56:00	One extra sheet in the magazine, would have given you two extra pages. Are you saying that if I want more extra information, I should refer to the web for more in-depth coverage, because they have more space. If so, you are changing my perception of a magazine and the role it fills in today's media world. I still think the awarding of Editor's Choice should be backed up by test result's printed in comparison to others. You can't just add a single sheet of paper to a printed magazine. It's physically impossible. I'm not au feit with printing procedures but I think you'll find that for us to add more pages tthe current size it has to go up in lots of 16. A substantial cost when spread over however many thousands of copies we produce each month.	Scott Bartley (836)
368118	2005-07-01 03:59:00	Well who decides how many pages a "Front Page Story" should get.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
368119	2005-07-01 04:08:00	All ? What about whether it is a 6-bit or 8-bit LCD ? If someone is technically adept enough to be concerned by such things as this then I'd hazard a guess they don't need to be told it by PC world Magazine. I suppose you'd call Jeremy Clarkson up on his review of a car if he didn't list the type of air filter installed in the engine bay? No, cos some stuff isn't relevant to our publication and the bulk of our readers. Sure some of you out there will need more info...but that's where the internet comes in isn't it? The bottom line is, we try to fit as much useful information as possible into our pages to help you guys make informed buying decisions. We can't go into as much depth as online publications sure...but then I know when I read online reviews I skip all the self gratifiying bulls**t in the charts that means nothing to most (but not all) people and go straight from the written reviews to the summary at the end. We have to draw the line somewhere in regards to what information makes it in. I'm sorry you didn't appreciate my judgement call on this one.	Scott Bartley (836)
368120	2005-07-01 04:13:00	Are you saying 1 man companies are dodgy? Seems like a slur to me . Besides, The thread starter just made a query, not an attack . Surely you lot would rather honest feedback? No need to go on the defensive . Hell, Some crackerhead Mac lover accused me of being in the business of selling gear designed to fail just the other day on this forum and I took it in my stride . Muhahaha . Perhaps the one and only time I didn't raise holy hell . . . . . . Lol . I'm sure there are many reputable one man businesses out there . I was making a point . Sure we value feedback . We love the stuff . But you wouldn't deny me the right to defend my decision making process in regards to my feature would you? Cos that's all I'm doing .	Scott Bartley (836)
368121	2005-07-01 04:15:00	Ok, lots of comments on this one since I posted yesterday . I'll start with this one . . . Yes Sony won, they had the best monitor . Are you suggesting something fishy is going on? You're dead wrong if you are and I take offence to the inference . We always list the manufacturer supplied RRP . Of course this is nearly always different to street prices which vary from store to store depending on how big they want their margin to be . Geez! Paranoia! Sony won of course - because they make the best stuff!!! And I know that about the prices . But I can mention a better price here as the thread was started by someone interested in buying one, and I thought he should know not to necessarily go by the RRP - which might put him off . Plus I like the mag . Not the only one I read but I think its better actually . Less boring stuff and more cool hardware stuff . And its an NZ mag which makes it relevant to NZ prices and shops etc, way better than reading some US or UK mag . I only read this one, Atomic and the odd game mag . And there are lots of 1 man or woman shops that are reputable and fair . Plenty of large, multi-staff dodgy companies if you ask me!	pctek (84)
368122	2005-07-01 04:16:00	From Anandtech (www.anandtech.com) Color Depth: Almost all LCDs today are 6-bit or 8-bit LCDs. This means that each subpixel - Red, Green, and Blue - can display one of 2 to the n shades where n represents the number of pixels. A typical 8-bit LCD can produce 256 shades per pixel, or 16.7M color combinations. A 6-bit LCD panel can display 64 shades per subpixel, and since there are three subpixels per pixel, the monitor can display 262,000 color combinations per pixel. This is generally OK for gaming, but certainly not acceptable for any graphics development. Personally, I enjoy seeing the other 98% of the 24-bit color spectrum.and further ... is based on a TN 6-bit LCD panel. While it is advertised as a 16.2M color display, each pixel can only display 262,000 hues; the other 16M hues are "simulated" using dithering techniques.I want "real" color not "simulated", which is why I chose this (www.benq.com.au) which was not even tested.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
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