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Thread ID: 59351	2005-06-29 09:23:00	Burglar alarms	Mercury (1316)	PC World Chat

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367961	2005-06-29 09:23:00	Hi, Anyone had any experience with Arlec wireless alarms? Tenants were burgled this morning so we need to up the security.	Mercury (1316)
367962	2005-06-29 12:02:00	Well I cant say I know much about the alarms but make sure you up your security with sensor lights around the perimeter, security stays on the windows and sure you got heavy duty but also nice looking security screen doors on the outside of the doors. We were almost broken into the other week and I think that (the door) is what prevented the B****** from gaining entry. That and the fact I disturbed him... These days you cant leave your doors open to air the house for an hour without someone breaking in. :mad: :mad: :mad:	bob_doe_nz (92)
367963	2005-06-29 23:16:00	The windows have security stays on them. Problem is - only one. They smashed a window and wrenched the window till the stay broke. Then let themselves out the front door. The glass repairer said use 2 stays per window and we will also put deadbolts on the doors. And install an alarm. The house was reasonably secure - both doors and the ranchslider's 2 bolts are keyed alike (so no spare keys hanging around or left in locks) and we had put on the window stays. Burglary happened mid morning so the sensor lights were no help. Although it is down a drive and private there are two houses there. Unfortunately the neighbour who usually works out of his garage was away doing deliveries. And our tenants (students) who are in and out all day were out. The ultimate appears to be a gate (would drive everyone crazy in a week), toughened glass (would cost a year's rent and the profit after the bank gets their share is minimal!), a monitored alarm (cost) and armed security guards with dogs (the cat would hate this one). So... anyone had experience with the wireless alarms? With a resident cat?	Mercury (1316)
367964	2005-06-30 01:50:00	Although it is down a drive and private there are two houses there . So . . . anyone had experience with the wireless alarms? With a resident cat? Its because its down a drive and private . If it was in full view of a busy road they'd be less inclined . Cats set off those alarms . And the noise making ones are useless . No-one ever checks . And it annoys the neighbours . The ones that ring a security firm are better . Also make your place look poor . A recent programme said a similar thing . If you live in a poor area neighbours are unemployed therefore home a lot and it makes it less appealing . Plus if your place looks ratty you probably don't have anything nice to steal .	pctek (84)
367965	2005-06-30 02:06:00	Also make your place look poor . It has crossed my mind that in the 3 years that we have owned it the burglars struck 3 months AFTER we repainted the exterior . It was also because of the private aspect that we put security stays on the window, double bolts on the ranchslider and make time to keep the hedges under control every few months . We're rather hoping that the thought of loud sirens inside the house would put thieves off .	Mercury (1316)
367966	2005-06-30 02:18:00	The issues of pets and burglar alarm sensors has little relevance to wireless or wired alarms. If you position the IR sensors (which is predominantly the same with both systems) to avoid cats setting it off, it will avoid people at that level also. You can get "pet alley" lenses which masks off lower levels with varying degrees of success. Look at covering rooms with IR that the cats don't have access to, plus all windows and doors. But most effective is to install an outside strobe light and siren cover (irrespective if they are hooked up) in a very visible place.	godfather (25)
367967	2005-06-30 02:19:00	If you put two security stays on the windows, the burglars will have to wrench twice as hard . Not really a problem for them . :( A burglar doesn't mind breaking things to get in . Deadlocks so a key is needed to open the door from the inside would probably cause minor inconvenience for getting the goods out .	Graham L (2)
367968	2005-06-30 02:35:00	. . . to wrench twice as hard . Physics seems to dictates that it would take considerably more than twice the effort with 2 . This incidentially is a lesson for tenants . Even if you are a student it really pays for all the flatmates to have insurance . And it also pays to back up your assignments on your laptop . We're still looking at cheap solution wireless v wired alarms if anyone has comments .	Mercury (1316)
367969	2005-06-30 02:41:00	Wireless alarms are generally ignored by insurance companies for discount. Their reliability is only as good as the owner/tenants ability to replace the (damned expensive) lithium batteries. But they work OK as a deterrent.	godfather (25)
367970	2005-06-30 02:47:00	"Physics ... dictates" that if it takes F newtons of force to break one, it will take 2*F newtons to break two. (Depending on the location of the stays, it might take two successive applications of F newtons to break two, one at a time.) Physics is funny like that. It's very logical. ;) Alarms are ignored. That's not physics. That's people.	Graham L (2)
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