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| Thread ID: 59647 | 2005-07-08 13:08:00 | raising the alcohol purchase age to 20? | imarubberducky (7230) | PC World Chat |
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| 370594 | 2005-07-08 21:57:00 | what i have just heard is that the punishment might not be as harsh compared to NZ, you might get away with a fine :groan: | Prescott (11) | ||
| 370595 | 2005-07-09 00:43:00 | according to statistics, the amount of young people drinking has barely changed, but the amount of alcohol that these young people are drinking has shot up. However it is disputable that the law change was to blame because teen binge drinking was increasing prior to the law change. Even if the law change has had an effect on teens drinking patterns, noone has asked whether changing the law back will reverse this pattern. I dont think it will, teens dont go looking up the law website to see what they can and cant do. What this law will do is punish those 18+, those who arent living at home, are making there own living, paying for their own education, legally having sex, serving in the miltitary, raising children, driving cars...... but not being able to drink? |
imarubberducky (7230) | ||
| 370596 | 2005-07-09 00:51:00 | People will still get drunk no matter what the age limit is... | Edward (31) | ||
| 370597 | 2005-07-09 01:37:00 | I am of the opinion that you are the right track there Rubber,nice clear thinking. Our masters,or in our case mistress know far better than we do what is good for us.I don't think :mad: |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 370598 | 2005-07-09 03:49:00 | One constructive step would be to raise the drinking age for politicians. A few of them have been drunk in charge of a country. | Graham L (2) | ||
| 370599 | 2005-07-09 05:23:00 | I am about to become a wine retailer. I will have to enforce the legal purchase age. I shudder at the thought. Frankly I don't think the problem is with a certain age. I think it is in the cultural attitude to alcohol. In NZ we have the binge culture. We make alcohol seem to be "very special", and taboo. We need to develop much healthier attitudes to alcohol rather than pass laws about it. Many years ago our community hosted a schoolboy rugby team from Argentina. Those boys were amazed at the attitude the locals had to alcohol. In their country alcohol was no big deal. It was available to everyone, BUT nobody abused it by bingeing. Here in NZ we put it into the taboo area and thereby make it seem much more highly desirable than it deserves to be. It is our attitude that supports and perpetuates the binge culture. Alcohol in itself is not the culprit; it is ourselves who are to blame. At the risk of seeming to repeat platitudes, we need to educate rather than legislate. This could well take a generation or maybe two. But until we do it, we are doomed to repeat the errors of our past. |
slofox (5767) | ||
| 370600 | 2005-07-09 08:20:00 | Quite right. Far too many rules. Alcohol is just an organic hydrocarbon. Its people who abuse it. Just like guns, which after all are just pieces of carbon steel. They don't cause harm, people do. So lets have more alcohol and more guns. :thumbs: :thumbs: |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 370601 | 2005-07-09 18:22:00 | The rule was 21 when I was young. I broke it at 19 in a hotel's private bar (with an older crowd of friends who didn't know my age & I was too naive to speak up) & I was petrified the whole time we were there. (The weekly publication "Truth" printed lists of those caught under-age then & I thought of parental/family disgrace.My father would've....) Every time the door opened, I thought it was a police check. I left feeling relieved...and didn't try again for a year. But at 20, I was stroppy enough to drink publicly with my new journalist colleagues & I got away with that. Luck, sure? But I wasn't driving - and none of us were into hassling others - or creating bonfires in the street, as some of my student neighbours do nowadays. Then the rules came down to 20. I was doing other stuff then. Didn't notice much difference. Then it came down to 18. I live in North Dunedin (and was a student here myself, so know all the drunkeness excuses) and can say only that can't comment on drunkeness, but can on vandalism. In just the past year, i've had my car's windscreen wipers ripped off, wireless arial snapped off twice & the side mirrors broken 3 times - usually Friday/Saturday night jobs. Just for their kicks... I'm not suggesting our students did that. Bearing in mind where I live, I think other young people did it en route home - to the flash upper suburb of Maori Hill -after drinking too much. As I think they're probably 15/16 getting an 18year-old to buy their booze, you can't bring on a higher limit quick enough for me. Maybe after a few years, that'll get the message through to them & the Mums & Dads who've never educated their kids about alcohol. And that's because their Mums & Dads were never educated about alcohol themelves. Time we took some lessons from the French & Italians about this in normal life - not excess. Yes, please raise it again. I apologise to my younger friends - but life's tough & you've got better things to worry about... |
Laura (43) | ||
| 370602 | 2005-07-09 18:28:00 | Just an anecdotal quick response here: I have 5 kids from my first (deceased) wife, and while they were at home, the beer and alcohol was always open to them if they wanted it . They tried it a few times and usually decided they didn't like the taste, and left it alone . I've never had a drunk kid come home, barfing all over the place . I think letting them know the taste and the feel of booze available to them at any time, was a great way to keep the mystique out of the whole mess . Demystifying it seemed to work for me . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 370603 | 2005-07-09 18:36:00 | Surferjoe: Sounds like you don't have an alcohol tradition there.\ Sadly, we do have in some sectors. |
Laura (43) | ||
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