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Thread ID: 59981	2005-07-19 02:35:00	My view exactly re muslim attitudes.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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373355	2005-07-19 09:32:00	Poor Metla, must lie awake at night thinking about the shame. Each post sounds more ridiculous than the last, can't wait for the next one. Stirrer :groan:	Edward (31)
373356	2005-07-19 22:05:00	Morning Terry, More cutting and pasting of useless texts to mystify the simple amongst us? Seem to be a habit of yours ,"oops can't think of what to say lets regurgitate something old and meaningless". Cant say i've ever found shakespair useful except for when old Gwenyth Paltrow got her jugglies out for him in Shakespair in Love, highlight of the film. And for my :2cents:. Deplorable though the acts of terrorism may be, England has had it coming for a while now. You can't expect to jump into bed with the seppos and come away squeeky clean. America is a runaway train, the time to get off came and went ages ago, now they gotta hang on until the bitter end! Poor sods, but what goes around comes around.	Veale (536)
373357	2005-07-19 22:11:00	Terry you are making the mistake of forgetting the dictum,ignorance is bliss.	Cicero (40)
373358	2005-07-19 22:42:00	The England of my birth has now totally disappeared. And ever it is thus. I'm sure you are right Terry. Time moves on for all of us. As they say, "the past is another country, they do things differently there". The British Isles is a remarkable nation. By the 18th century this small island country ruled the world economically and militarily. They competed with the Dutch, Belgians, Germans, French, Spanish and Portuguese with no obvious advantages yet trounced the lot. Quite why is difficult to say. Historians say it was the English rule of law and parliamentry system which proved the difference. Continental systems were Roman based and mixed church and state. But the other answer may simply be hybrid vigor. The very mix of peoples that made up Britain was its strength. The example we see today is the United States. It is a society made up of immigrants from many nations, mostly poor when they arrived. Yet from that unpromising mix has risen up the most powerful nation on Earth. If it was simply a matter of population then China and India would have been the world powers decades ago. So hybrid vigor explains a lot. And maybe Britain is now gaining its second strain of vigor from all the immigrants over the past 50 years. It'll take a while to burgeon but an optimistic view is that Britain will prosper in the future.	Winston001 (3612)
373359	2005-07-19 22:52:00	But the other answer may simply be hybrid vigor. The very mix of peoples that made up Britain was its strength. The example we see today is the United States. It is a society made up of immigrants from many nations, mostly poor when they arrived. Yet from that unpromising mix has risen up the most powerful nation on Earth. If it was simply a matter of population then China and India would have been the world powers decades ago. So hybrid vigor explains a lot. And maybe Britain is now gaining its second strain of vigor from all the immigrants over the past 50 years. It'll take a while to burgeon but an optimistic view is that Britain will prosper in the future. Or yet another way of explaining it is that America shamelessly exploited the use of slave labour as well as eliminating any competition from natives, thus allowing themselves full access to their resources and thereby creating a solid economic base for them to launch their world-wide domination campaign. :D . Oh the joys of having no conscience. The same could be said of the other nations mentioned.	Veale (536)
373360	2005-07-20 00:09:00	Or yet another way of explaining it is that America shamelessly exploited the use of slave labour as well as eliminating any competition from natives, thus allowing themselves full access to their resources and thereby creating a solid economic base for them to launch their world-wide domination campaign. :D . Oh the joys of having no conscience. The same could be said of the other nations mentioned. Yes Veale, but why were the Americans and the English so successful? Why did they bother? Why not stay at home? Why didn't the Persians or the Chinese or the Russians discover and conquer the New World 500 years ago? Why was tiny England (which didn't even discover America, but took it anyway) able to conquer much of Africa and countries the size of India?	Winston001 (3612)
373361	2005-07-20 00:18:00	Because they killed everyone? I have to say the doco I watched on the History channel a couple of years back that chronicled how the yanks drove the native Americans off their land and killed them enmasse was shocking to watch, the actions and consequences were disgusting and repulsive . And since WW2 America has continued to mess with countries that are thousands of miles away and then invade,bringing more death with every single action . As much as I would take a hardline and wipe out the terriosts I can see why its happened, It was only a matter of time untill the yanks started to reap the fruits of their labour . Though I think once the Chinese get motivated we will all be doomed .	Metla (12)
373362	2005-07-20 00:45:00	Yes Veale, but why were the Americans and the English so successful? Why did they bother? Why not stay at home? Why didn't the Persians or the Chinese or the Russians discover and conquer the New World 500 years ago? Why was tiny England (which didn't even discover America, but took it anyway) able to conquer much of Africa and countries the size of India? Well, Im no historian, but I think its because white people are a bunch of power hungry pricks :p . Something about our white genes craving blood, power and money, usually in that order . And basically it comes down to why you or i aren't the prime minister . We obviously have no desire to be in that position of power or perhaps have the motivation to do so . Not all countires have the need and drive to go invading countries, raping and pillaging along the way . England has had some bitter monarchs throughout its history, all it took was the word of one man to destroy a country and its people . Once you've done it once its not hard to do it again . King George . w . Bush II and his predecessors are merely picking up where England left off .	Veale (536)
373363	2005-07-20 01:10:00	Agh, some people just have no idea about English/British history. For a start, they never "invaded" anyone.... if you think invaded, then think the Nords, the Romans, the Spanish, the Mongolians and more recently the Germans and Japanese. England was always a victim of invaders, from the North, East and South. What England did was colonise, which ain't nearly as bad as outright pillage, plunder and massacre. Sure, England is guilty in her past of brutally trying to assimilate other nations, but she always preserved their cultures, and in fact valued them. Think about it... if England invaded any foreign nation, where is the legacy of it today... I mean what other territory in the world apart from the British Isles is called England? (ok, apart from the Falklands et al which were basically devoid of any national status at their time). Give the English a break - they weren't anywhere near as bad as their contemporarys!	Greg (193)
373364	2005-07-20 01:16:00	since WW2 America has continued to mess with countries that are thousands of miles away and then invade,bringing more death with every single action. You must've read Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival"?	Greg (193)
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