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| Thread ID: 60273 | 2005-07-27 09:16:00 | tv3 deisel vers petrol | tweak'e (69) | PC World Chat |
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| 376063 | 2005-07-27 22:44:00 | pctek ...what car do you have ? | tweak'e (69) | ||
| 376064 | 2005-07-27 23:01:00 | It's more or less as Joe says. the visible black smoke is what turns many off. My prejudice against diesels goes way back to motorcycling days in the 1950s and being choked by trucks belching forth, especially those that had been adjusted to giver richer mixtures and more power up hills. British trucks always tended to be underpowered to save initial outlay. When CAV turbochargers started to be fitted, truck and fleet owners bought even smaller engined vehicles, and they were still 'tuned' to belch forth smoke uphills. Now in NZ we have this business of importing older Jap diesels, rather than the cleaner and highly efficient Euro-diesels, but then we also need better and cleaner diesel fuel. There are still far too many diesels that belch smoke, and too many buses around our way seem to be offenders, especially it seems, school buses. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 376065 | 2005-07-27 23:17:00 | don't forget terry that most jap deisels run on better fuel that what we have advaiable (afaik) therefore a comman fix is to adjust the max fuel setting on the pumps. a little bit less power but cleaner and the motors last longer to. nothing wrong with jab deisels, some of them are being used in euro vechiles at the moment. buses.....proberly lack of maintence due to funding shortage ;) also with older vechiles its how you drive them. under powered deisels (even big trucks) get thrashed by the drivers which is half the problem. at lot of newer trucks have quite big motors which last longer and have less maintanice, party due to they no longer need to be thrashed to death to keep to the speed limit. for eg a truck driver i know got given the old truck of the fleet to drive. it always goes through water and oil. however in the month he had it he never had to put any in. he basicly said "theres no point in trying to make the truck do what it was never deigned to do (high speed)". |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 376066 | 2005-07-28 02:26:00 | pctek ...what car do you have ? '87 Corolla. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 376067 | 2005-07-28 10:41:00 | '87 Corolla. it depends a lot on which motor. if i rember correctly they came out with several motors ranging from 1L, 1.3, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8 and 2L motors. a 2l deisel would be roughly equivlant to the 1.3 or 1.5L motors power wise, any the bigger motors would of course be more exspencive to run but they will have a lot more power. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 376068 | 2005-07-29 01:27:00 | it depends a lot on which motor. if i rember correctly they came out with several motors ranging from 1L, 1.3, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8 and 2L motors. a 2l deisel would be roughly equivlant to the 1.3 or 1.5L motors power wise, any the bigger motors would of course be more exspencive to run but they will have a lot more power. My partners diesel is slow and economical. My car is gutless and reasonable. Haha |
pctek (84) | ||
| 376069 | 2005-07-29 02:39:00 | My 3L diesel Surf is fast and thirsty, 13L per 100Kms, I would hate to pay for petrol each fill up. If I had a 3L V6 petrol surff it would use about the same per 100Kms, so I would pay more to do the same distance. Plus the diesel is probally faster all around than the petrol. Service costs is probally cheaper the engine holds a couple more litres of oil but there is no sparkplugs, leads, distributor. Both engine types have fuel and air filters. Even when you dont count in servicing costs and factor in the cost of diesel milage it still works out cheaper. I just paid about $325 for 10,000Kms, which works out to be around $15 per tank full of diesel. Lets say diesel cost is 95c and petrol is $1.25 55L of petrol would cost $68.75 55L of diesel would cost $52.25 a $16.50 saving on the day factor in cost of milage that 55L of diesel cost $67.25 still a saving, even if only $1.50. Lets say I go through 1 tank every two weeks $1.50 X 26weeks = $39 savings per year. I wont say no to that!! And I know my exaust is safer than petrol exaust as well so I dont feel guilty for burning holes in the ozone layer. |
Rob99 (151) | ||
| 376070 | 2005-07-29 08:40:00 | Well I have a CVT transmission and am very pleased with it. What that has to do with Diesel versus petrol,I have no idea. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 376071 | 2005-07-29 09:13:00 | rob....like most peole i think your missing a lot here. deisel serviceing costs more. most deisels require oil changes every 5000km, petrols 10000km or more. the newer direct injection deisels have a 10000km sevice interval. deisels don't have sparkplugs but they do have glowplugs. injectors (ussually need serviceing every 100,000km) cost a whole lot more than most petrol ones. fuel filters on more exspencive on deisels than most petrols. deisels on average use more air than their petrol counter parts, hence they usually clog filters a lot quicker than petrols. more cost. (unless you buy a k&n ;) ) lastly i think your optomistic with the amount of fuel the v6 would go through. they are well known for being thisty. cheak out the surf forum (www.toyotasurf.asn.au). going from comments from fellow tradesman, what they saved in fuel was spent in repairs. light deisels simply don't handle the abuse most guys throw at them. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 376072 | 2005-07-29 09:20:00 | rob . . . . like most peole i think your missing a lot here . deisel serviceing costs more . most deisels require oil changes every 5000km, petrols 10000km or more . the newer direct injection deisels have a 10000km sevice interval . deisels don't have sparkplugs but they do have glowplugs . injectors (ussually need serviceing every 100,000km) cost a whole lot more than most petrol ones . fuel filters on more exspencive on deisels than most petrols . deisels on average use more air than their petrol counter parts, hence they usually clog filters a lot quicker than petrols . more cost . (unless you buy a k&n ;) ) lastly i think your optomistic with the amount of fuel the v6 would go through . they are well known for being thisty . cheak out the surf forum ( . toyotasurf . asn . au/forum/" target="_blank">www . toyotasurf . asn . au) . going from comments from fellow tradesman, what they saved in fuel was spent in repairs . light deisels simply don't handle the abuse most guys throw at them . Glowplugs last ages . And those plus oild, filters etc can all be done yourself, so cheaper to do . Although the glowplugs were expensive compared with spark plugs . |
pctek (84) | ||
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