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Thread ID: 60490	2005-08-03 08:30:00	Boy racers and hoon control	netchicken (4843)	PC World Chat

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377908	2005-08-03 08:30:00	I don't know what all the fuss is about boy racers, all we have to do to control them is simply restrict drviers under 19 to vehicles with 1500cc or less unmodified petrol engines. Simple.... next problem please...	netchicken (4843)
377909	2005-08-03 08:36:00	I don't know what all the fuss is about boy racers, all we have to do to control them is simply restrict drviers under 19 to vehicles with 1500cc or less unmodified petrol engines. Simple.... next problem please... So what do I do with my 3 and 1 up and coming in the meantime? My house looks like Monster flamin Garage!! And when their m8's all come round you'd swear there was the place was used car sales. Trying to get Marge to lower the quality of the tucker round here in the hope they'll all go live somewhere else! NOW!!	bartsdadhomer (80)
377910	2005-08-03 09:05:00	good idea, not..They try and do that with motorbikes by restricting them to 250cc, Not the most experienced rider I have to admit, but I dam near **** my pants on somes 250's, compared to some of the bigger blke's I have ridden.. I'm sure those teenager's that wrote themselves off in the familiar and I think they are a 1500(it was a turbo).. I say let them kill themselves as long as they don't harm me or my family, they obviously don't respect life that much.. In saying that I wasn't any better at 16 :D	plod (107)
377911	2005-08-03 09:17:00	1500 cc cars can still do over 200km/h easly (non-turbo). but a 2lt deisel might slow em down ;) exspecially when it blows up from them revving it out all the time. that car on tv (the one with suspenion so hard its dangerous) is a good case of wannabe boy racers who know nothing about cars.	tweak'e (69)
377912	2005-08-03 09:28:00	Teenagers are stupid, You cant make em smart by telling them to be.	Metla (12)
377913	2005-08-03 09:30:00	Personally I think MOST (there are some decent organised crews around) boy-racers are a bunch of no-brainers with nuthin better to do than make dumb-f**k decisions (i.e. lets get pissed, have a sess, and go for a spin). Half those come from homes where the parents don't know (or don't give a sh*t) what the kids are up to. When single and flatting I was flatting with an older female workmate whos son (16 at the time) thought it was cooler to have a noisy muffler (and no rego) and keep getting fined for it (he racked up 2 thou of fines in his first year on the road). And his mother was ready to trot off and help him pay for them. Duh!!	Myth (110)
377914	2005-08-03 09:30:00	OR...at the risk of offending those who can't stand comparisons with the UK, COMPULSORY THIRD PARTY INSURANCE No insurance = no car, no motorbike; combined with proper enforcement, and no pussyfooting around with fines, penalty for no insurance to be immediate impounding of vehicle. Insurance had to be arranged before taking posession of a vehicle. Certificate of insurance to be produced when registering a vehicle, we also had to produce a WOF (or MOT certificate as it was called). Since the insurance companies would not insure a modified vehicle, that would remove most of the hoons. Insurance premiums rose exponentially for certains types of vehicle and for under 25 year old drivers. I remember paying quite a lot on my 1000cc Vincent when I was about 21 or 22. In the UK of course we had a culture of conforming to the law more or less :), so compulsory insurance was accepted and it worked. Then, in my speeding days there was no speed limit on the open road, so riding at 100mph or 130mph was not a crime, now driving at much over ~60mph (100kmh) is a heinous crime. That was about the speed that an old pre-war Ford Popular type of car could get up to, or a Morris Minor, even my old BSA C11G 250cc could go at 60mph, we haven't really progressed :)	Terry Porritt (14)
377915	2005-08-03 09:39:00	Wouldn't work. <1500cc cars are not common, it would screw up the car economy. Engine size has no bearing on how fast drivers go, if you want to do 160km/h a 1.5L will do it just fine, just takes longer to get there. I could easily speed at 100km/h through town in my 1.6L toyota corolla if I felt like, and I could probably in a 1.3L too. It's all to do with responsibility, not mechanical limitations. Although in some of those big, soft, powerful automatic cars people have you can do 160 and feel like you're going at 80 so..... Anyway, no, wouldn't work. Just means you'd have to thrash it harder to be equally irresponsable.	george12 (7)
377916	2005-08-03 09:53:00	Agree with you 100% Terry (as a fellow pom). Personally I wouldn't let the little buggers on the road in the first place, although I don't know if fixing the boy racer problem (that's if you can fix it) will have a huge effect on the road toll. As far as I'm concerned, just about every other driver on the roads in NZ is a menace. I blame a succession of ignorant governments. Okay - you can't legislate against stupidity (which is probably a major factor to the road toll), but you can do something about the ease of which people seem to get licences here and the lack of driver education. Then there's the problem of unlicenced drivers. My partner has already been the victim of a shunt by a 16yo, unlicenced, boy racer-type hoon who drove off at the scene. Luckily, we ended up making him admit liability and he got a fine, but he shouldn't have been on the road in the first place. It astonishes me sometimes at the leniant penalties these offenders often get. Wasn't there some serial drunk-driver on the news recently who had just gotten caught drink-driving for the 30-somethingth time? And I often read about wreckless idiots causing loss of life only to get a fine or a 3 month jail sentence at most.	manicminer (4219)
377917	2005-08-03 09:55:00	From my memory of a discussion on Nat Radio about a Month or so ago the main reason that 3rd Party Insurance is compulsory in UK is for the type of personal injury claim that ACC covers here. The local insurance companies don't want compulsory insurance as it would lift costs for everyone. Also quoted were figures of 20% for both unlicensed drivers and vehicles. The Police don't seem to be able to enforce existing requirements. Finance companies do insist on full insurance where HP is involved. If some of these vehicles are uninsurable through modification perhaps the finance co should pull the plug on the loans.	PaulD (232)
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