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| Thread ID: 60490 | 2005-08-03 08:30:00 | Boy racers and hoon control | netchicken (4843) | PC World Chat |
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| 377958 | 2005-08-04 21:12:00 | In my days on the Wild West Coast i would vent my agression by throwing the holden round on the gravel roads of Stockton, which was a mining town behind Millerton where i lived. This was before the times where the mine bought the whole town, and closed it off with a private gate at the back of Millerton, and then mined as many hours as they could. I could flip a car 180° at whim... no worrys. I thought this was a purely recreational skill untill many years later in CHCH a truck pulled out into traffic from a private drive way and i instintively flipped myself 180° into a gap in the traffic on the other side of the road and drove off the other way before i had time to evaluate how mangled i'd get if i skidded forward into the truck. Not the kind of adrenalin buzz i'd want thankyou. So driving like an idiot is not only fun, but can help with skills on the road. Allthough driving like an idiot to learn such skills obviously needs to be done on private dirt roads where there is no other traffic. Perhaps whats needed is to encourage the racer crew to play in the dirt on private land? |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 377959 | 2005-08-04 21:25:00 | Said Director tried that. not sure how fast, but I would be guessing 160+ to full lock: no slide. He's out of the office at the moment, but I'll confirm details with him later.Aparently "out of the office" translates too "in russia". It will be a while before I can get those details. -Qyiet |
qyiet (6730) | ||
| 377960 | 2005-08-04 21:47:00 | Hmmmm . . . . I would suggest you spend a few hours on a track, dirt road or on a paddock caning the arse off your car . If you can't pull it back from a slide then you wont have the ability to control it while taking evasive action . In the same way that riding a dirt bike which slides all over the place will save your life years later when ya big fancy road bike goes into a slide at 180km/h . . . . Amen! And it may save a few more lives as well, in your vehicle, or the other cars or pedestrians that you don't hit . My kids will be going to advanced driver training to learn car control, accident avoidance and all the other "staying alive on the road" skills as soon as they get their license . Cheers Billy 8-{) :thumbs: |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 377961 | 2005-08-04 22:06:00 | So we're back to the solution of giving those of us who want to "fang" their cars about a safe place to go. I have access to plenty of paddocks for donuts, but the average auckalofian doesn't, and track time is often expensive or poorly organised, and riddled with cops outside the entrance/exits making it entirely undesirable for people to attend. There is usually little provision for spectators, facilities are poor, parking and traffic control non-existant, and the organisation is rubbish. The odd "good" track day is often booked out well in advance, and priced relatively high. No wonder people hit the streets. **Rant over** Driver training is imperative. In fact, there may be places still available for the driver training day at Pukekohe next weekend (Sun 14th August) It is sponsored by the Jaguar Club, and you get a discount if you are a member or a BMW Club member, but it is possible to go along if you're not by getting in touch with one of the clubs (AFAIK). These happen relatively regularly, and BMW NZ has also started a driver training program which is an adaption of their international program. It gives you a chance to earn evasive handling techniques in a new BMW 3 series, "fang" your own car around the track with an instructor to learn high-speed techniques, and then you get a ride in a full-blown race car driven by a pro driver - FUN!!!!!!!!!!! All for a coupla hundy. Contact BMW NZ for details. And finally - I am amazed with the number of people who have said "I own a 1.xL shopping cart and it can do 140..." What the hell are you doing 140 in one of those for????!!!!!! Keep it for the track. My car can do 250km/h plus if you read the spec sheet, but I have never driven it on the road even half that (the track is a totally different story however :D ). Jesus people - no wonder there is so much carnage on the roads! |
echothreezero (6612) | ||
| 377962 | 2005-08-04 22:33:00 | So we're back to the solution of giving those of us who want to "fang" their cars about a safe place to go. No, that wasn't what it was about at all. It was about learning at least some elements of car-control in a safe off-road environment (formal or informal), not at a boy racer fang-fest with spectators etc. You are right, suitable facilities are not available, but the elements of car control can be learned at low speed, you don't have to be going fast to experience understeer, oversteer, four wheel drifts or to learn about braking distances on wet or unstable surfaces. It imparts a healthy respect for the laws of physics. Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 377963 | 2005-08-04 22:58:00 | Sorry Billy, we cross-posted - my reply wasn't in answer to your driver training suggestion. And as you can see in my post, I am all keen for that too - in fact you will find me at the Jag driver training that Sunday. Note: the BMW training in the new 3er is all at legal road speeds and emulated road conditions - the high speed stuff is for a) to teach those techniques too as things happen differently and faster at speed, and b) to attract people to the event that probably wouldn't go otherwise - and they are the ones that probably need it the most. |
echothreezero (6612) | ||
| 377964 | 2005-08-04 23:12:00 | sorry billy but a 1954 Volkswagen is just normall in my book. when i mean twitchy is something that sits on the road like super glue at normal speed and then lets go for no apparent reason. believe me i'm well use to going sideways ;) short wheelbase 4x4, large amount of weight, high power and huge tires........makes life o so interesting ;) the mechanic who saw it always wondered why they crash so often, untill he saw that vechile do that. skid training should be manatory. i've had relies who have said they would have no idea what to do if they got sideways. yikes! i go sideways just about every day! |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 377965 | 2005-08-04 23:17:00 | someone reminded me of something yesterday......... teen sucide. think about it. nz has one of the highest rates around. throw cars into the mix.......killing yourself via a car is certainly a more fun way to go. there was a crash around here years ago, young guy went head on into a bank apparantly missing the courner. what the cops etc didn't make public was the drivers foot was still hard on the gas, most likly suicide. just a thought for ya to chew over :( |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 377966 | 2005-08-05 06:49:00 | Sorry - I'm not trying to be a smartarse, but you simply are not allowed to exceed the speed limit under ANY circumstances . Agreed . If the officer decides the speed is too high, or the passing manoeuvre has been completed then excess speed will attract a ticket . Something to remember - a ticket is simply a charge of breaking the law . You are entitled to a Court hearing and to defend the charge . |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 377967 | 2005-08-05 09:01:00 | they better not restrict it, that would p*** me off so badly it aint funny, im trying to get a desent car to get me up the mountain, and if i cant get it because of some restriction thats pathetic and everyone should cry a river and get over it then ycgfy quite honestly :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: | Codex (3761) | ||
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