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| Thread ID: 60490 | 2005-08-03 08:30:00 | Boy racers and hoon control | netchicken (4843) | PC World Chat |
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| 377948 | 2005-08-04 07:36:00 | It also makes passing more dangerous. The definition of the speed limit in NZ is the fastest speed you may travel, unless passing. If you want to pass a long truck going at 95, because it's blowing smoky crap on your windscreen, then you can't safely do so at the speed limit. You'd be in the opposite side of the road for about 20 seconds. I see your point, but if the truck is going at 95 and blowing out ****, why not just sit along way back so it doesnt bother you. Will an extra 5km/h make such a difference to your journey time. Chances are the truck may turn off anyway a few ks down the road. I normally sit at 100k on the open road. The only time I ever overtake anything is when I absolutely have to (eg to get past a tractor etc). And to be honest, at that speed I hardly ever get to overtake anything anyway because most people don't seem content unless they are doing 110. The number of times I see someone overtake me at 120k (usually after tailgating me) only for me to catch them up because they get stuck at a junction or behind other traffic. Alot of people drive to overtake - they simply have to get past whatever is in front of them at all costs - and I see people take great risks just to achieve that. All for what? Just to shave a couple of minutes off your journey time and to waste a bit of extra fuel. The way some people drive is just insane. But I think it often reflects how they are in life. Impatient, irritable and little consideration for other people. |
manicminer (4219) | ||
| 377949 | 2005-08-04 07:54:00 | Sorry - I'm not trying to be a smartarse, but you simply are not allowed to exceed the speed limit under ANY circumstances. Not taken as smartarseage. I have learnt something useful, thanks. I really thought I remembered reading that when I was road-coding up for my licence. Good thing to know, now I won't get a ticket for passing at like 115km/h. |
george12 (7) | ||
| 377950 | 2005-08-04 09:45:00 | a liitle odd. they must have changed the rules somewhere along the line. its been tested in court several times that i know of. something along the lines of it is more dangerous to pass slow than fast. however you must slow back down to legal speed once you have overtaken and this is where the cops ussually catch them ie 120k going past but still doing 115k after they have finished passing. don't forget that it dosn't apply to passing lanes or motorways, you will get done for speeding even if you are passing someone. | tweak'e (69) | ||
| 377951 | 2005-08-04 10:02:00 | Just pause and think about that statement for a second! Consider the physics and the forces involved, and how electronic traction control could counter lock-to-lock steering input at 160+ kmh. Traction control and auto-steering correction using braking of individual wheels are good technologies, but you'd need Harry Potter to pull that one off. Cheers Billy 8-{) Even the old trick of knocking the shift into neutral and yanking on the handbrake on full lock, should achieve end-swapping no matter what you're driving. |
SmegEd (8440) | ||
| 377952 | 2005-08-04 10:16:00 | If the boy (or girl for that matter) racers want to kill themselves then that is their problem. I just hope they don't take me or mine with them when they go. All the laws and restrictions placed on people don't matter. We need more enforcement rather than laws. A law does not stop anyone doing anything against that law. At the moment there is a case going on about high speed travelling in the South Island. In that case the Police were involved and were part of it. Helen Clark is not being called as a witness. The car that recently left the road had other people in there as passengers. If I had been a passenger in the car that left the road I would have tried to get out before I lost my life. I am not saying that is always possible though. |
Elephant (599) | ||
| 377953 | 2005-08-04 10:19:00 | Swapping ends only happens when the driver ignores the basic laws of physics and self-preservation. billy youve never driven a twitchy car before have you ;) i've had it myself in several different vechiles. something with those vechiles made them ever so twitchy and they often stepped out for no reason (or a very minnor reason that dosn't affect any other car). also one of the local mechanics saw it happen to someone, a big 4x4 (patrol??) that was cruiseing along a straight road (not fast ) and it suddenly went sideways. the road wasn't slippy, he was driving right behind it without a problem. i suspect it hit a soft spot, lost grip on one tire which upset the suspension causing it to slide. qyiet has a good point tho. a lot of cars you don't acctually drive....you just point them in the right direction. the computer controls the motor, gearbox, brakes, suspension, traction control and in some cars even wake the driver up! also if their is an accicent there is no need to worry as we have airbags. there was a stat out ages ago about people who drove vechiles with airbags crash more often than those without airbags. now all we need is cars made of cotten wool.......made in gore of course ;) |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 377954 | 2005-08-04 11:13:00 | Sorry, but thats incorrect. My workmate has the bit of paper to prove it. Passing at 116 and got fined. Just letting you know so you don't go past that truck at 130 and get stung. Cheers. Agreed. The speed limit IS the speed limit whether you are passing or going downhill or whatever. |
Elephant (599) | ||
| 377955 | 2005-08-04 12:11:00 | billy youve never driven a twitchy car before have you ;) Sure have tweak'e, I learned to drive on gravel roads in a 1954 Volkswagen with "bicycle" tires. That was as twitchy as you can get. It taught me to read the signs through my backside and the steering wheel loading, and the experience gained has served me well ever since. As for the 4x4, forward momentum would keep it straight unless something buggers up the steering geometry so perhaps it has crook shocks, a blow-out, the driver sneezed, or maybe his attention wandered. Vehicles don't spear off straight roads unless something significant happens, and loss of forward traction on one wheel isn't enough unless, perhaps, the other wheels are on oil or ice. Cheers Billy |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 377956 | 2005-08-04 13:53:00 | Im thinking along these lines: * Even in my 68Kw 1.3l Hyundai Accent, I can easily get up past 140 * Drink drivers are more likely (AFAIK) to survive a crash because they have less feelin in their body and cannot feel the pain from the accident * I know a guy who lost his liscence for too many demerit points for three months. They found him driving without a liscence and revoked it for another three months. He still drove without it * Fast driving is not limited to "Boy" racers. I know females that will happily try and drag any guy off the lights that pull up next to them. * Im not sure about most here, but Ive had one accident. Lost control in the rain, nobody was hurt and the car cost me only $300 in damage. Lesson well learned to take it slower in the rain and always expect the worst of conditions. Ive had a total of around $4000 done to me by other drivers + theft in the past twelve months though, none of which any of my fault. Maybe Im just on the receiving end of bad luck * Some people can control vehicles, some cant. Ive seen my brother deliberately flick his car sideways driving through a private carpark and return to normal driving and think nothing of it. If I tried something like that I gaurantee I would drive into the nearest object, be it mobile or immobile. * Defensive driving can teach incredibly good habits - If you're willing to receive them. Sometimes the dog just doesnt want to be taught tricks Personally I dont think you'll be able to stop people from being idiots in vehicles. I saw somebody learning in a relatively new Holden Commadore Club Sport, travelling at 35Km down the road. This poor boy learning in that vehicle with what looked like his father in the passenger seat, about 7-8 people before me all overtook him.... If you ask me, just the way people drive around auckland (Myself included) can simply be asking for trouble. What happened to "give way"? I hate driving through Westage (Northwest Auckland), because _nobody_ there seems to give way. In a two minute drive through the carpark, Ive been cut off a whopping 8 times while just driving in a straight line by people pulling out etc. I wonder if theres a limit on how many words you can make per post :D |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 377957 | 2005-08-04 14:04:00 | Hmmmm....I would suggest you spend a few hours on a track,dirt road or on a paddock caning the arse off your car. If you can't pull it back from a slide then you wont have the ability to control it while taking evasive action. In the same way that riding a dirt bike which slides all over the place will save your life years later when ya big fancy road bike goes into a slide at 180km/h.... |
Metla (12) | ||
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