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Thread ID: 60490	2005-08-03 08:30:00	Boy racers and hoon control	netchicken (4843)	PC World Chat

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377928	2005-08-03 22:31:00	the idea of removing nad crushin the car is good........cept if it's someone eles's car...........if the offender is also the owner great ....remove the car if they're speeding ......crush it then return it and charge em for it and fine em too. difficult if they've been caught in a stolen car or one they 'borrowed without permission'. we really need to get a bit more real in this country with punishments . Wimpy tiny fines which are not enforced and then people go to court and get $30k worth of fines wiped for a few hours 'community service' just doesnt cut it at all........I say build some new jails. Concrete cells with no doors just a roof trapdoor 6x6 only a bed and toilet and no time out of the cell at all.....that should discourage many people from doin wrong stuff ... NO more easy street in jail no more holiday rest home where you go to spend time with your mates/whanau etc .......just a 6x6 cell four very boring walls no contact with people at all cept when you get your meal or a clean blanket gets dropped in ....no tv/radio/books...........you are not there to be re-educated/re-habilitated you are there for punishment to discourage you from doin it again.. Any 'boy/girlracer' experienceing that for 3 months would NOT want a repeat. And any more 'serious' crim experiencing that for 5 -10 years woulnd't want a repeat either. too bad about their 'rights' they dont have any if they do something bad enuf	drcspy (146)
377929	2005-08-03 22:39:00	Show me a 17y/old who owns a 6 litre V8 monstercar these days? quite comman. for eg turbo skylines are dime a dozen, everyone has a skyline, subaru or other sports car with the same power as a 6L V8. How the hell are we supposed to legally teach people to drive if they can't legaly drive common vehicles? good point. reminds of someone who learnt to drive in a v8 falcon, the darn thing was a handfull to drive. liked to swap ends for no reason. that person holds a lot of respect for what a car can do. the other thing to remebr here is they are being taught in basicly good cars, not the sh*t boxes we used too drive around in. you have to push these to hi speeds before they let go. at high speed their first slide is often their last. cars these days are easier to drive so i'm not suprised by a cocky attuidude. would better training help? ie skid training. you also need to look at the roads and places they drive. when i go down south (still nth island) i see a few dangerous moves done. they get away with it because the roads are wide and smooth. you can't do tose thinks around here because you will be dead. theres no room for error on the roads here so you simply don't do half the stuff you could get away with on good roads. kids being kids will always push the limits.	tweak'e (69)
377930	2005-08-03 22:52:00	The Army. Straight from school. Break em and train them not to have indepentant thought. Then send em away to die killing commies in the rice feilds their families have farmed for the last 300 years...	Metla (12)
377931	2005-08-03 23:01:00	I suppose the only reason I am still alive today is because of 2 letters.... DD Defensive Driving classes.. It was part of a course I went on when I first left school, and it taught you heaps (hazard ID, drive to the conditions etc) Maybe all new drivers should sit in these classes before being issued a licence-to-die?	Myth (110)
377932	2005-08-04 00:50:00	Reminds of someone who learnt to drive in a v8 falcon, the darn thing was a handfull to drive . liked to swap ends for no reason . Swapping ends only happens when the driver ignores the basic laws of physics and self-preservation . Any car will swap ends if the driver is stupid enough . I speak from experience here, my first car was a 1959 Standard 10 that took an age to reach 30mph and topped out at around 50mph (limited by nerve, it shook and flapped that much only a suicidal maniac (boy racer??) would dare to press harder . I still managed to swap ends by driving too fast downhill on a gravel road . Hoons will always get access to vehicle faster amd more powerful than their tiny minds can manage, parents will always be lax and let their kids roam at will and drink and drive, kids (and innocent victims) will continue to die and governments can't stop them . The solution starts at home with upbringing, standards, respect for authority, the ability to say NO and to mean it and stick to it, and that old faithful, common sense . Don't hold your breath for change; and pray that you are not the next unfortunate to meet a brain-dead kid or adult coming the other way . It doesn't feel good to see it coming, but relax, you barely get time to say Oh sh . . . . . then the lights go out . I know, I survived a head on open-road collision some years back that folded both cars right back to the windscreen . It was driver error, too fast on an unknown road, and he had the good grace to admit it and apologise as we were were carted off to hosptial in the same ambulance That I (and all in the other car) survived was a miracle, but since then more have died at the same spot where we escaped . Driver education from the start of school might help, but it will take education of parents as well, and maybe even some draconian laws that permanently confiscate vehicles regardless of ownership to make any impact . Even then, the tougher the laws, the more attractive it makes a stolen vehicle look . Seen through the eyes of a penniless drunk or boy-racer, he or she has nothing to lose but their life . Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
377933	2005-08-04 03:15:00	Swapping ends only happens when the driver ignores the basic laws of physics and self-preservation . Any car will swap ends if the driver is stupid enough . Technology as almost worked round this . Not by fixing the physics, but by ignoring the driver . Quote from this review ( . internetautoguide . com/reviews/45-int/luxury-cars/audi/a8/2005/" target="_blank">www . internetautoguide . com) The A8's Differential Lock helps assures stability even while turning under hard acceleration . An electronic stability program (ESP) compares vehicle behavior against driver input, and uses the antilock brakes and traction control to correct a skid or slide . Add quattro all-wheel drive, and the A8 will do everything physically possible to keep you heading where you want to go . In an emergency situation, just remember to stand on the brakes, don't relieve pedal pressure, and look and steer where you want to go . One of the directors at work went to an "invite only" test of the 2005 Audis when they first arrived in New Zealand . And was told a story there about the Audi engineers giving one of the new cars to the WRC drivers and telling them they were "unslideable" . The WRC was in a northern european country at the time, so first stop for the WRC drivers was a frozen lake to prove them wrong . 2 Days later . . they gave up . With all the electronics on, they could not get them to slide . Of course this story is now about 4th gen in the chinese whisper trail, so I take it's accurcary with pinch of salt, but it seems like it *should* be possible, and he certainaly was not able to get it to swap ends . . (and he tried, on a runway somewhere, with surface water flooding it) -Qyiet	qyiet (6730)
377934	2005-08-04 03:47:00	Simple. Manufacture a car made out of ruggedised plastic and rubber, with the aerodynamics of a fridge. It comes in one colour - dayglow orange. If it ever exceeds 105km onboard computer shuts off the engine and activates all the airbags (of which there are four - driver, passengers front and back), and plays a recording of a young woman saying "you are such a jerk" over and over. Change the legislation so that this car is the only car young drivers under the age of 23 are allowed to drive (except for work purposes). Then set up a manufacturing plant in Gore to make it.	Biggles (121)
377935	2005-08-04 04:12:00	With all the electronics on, they could not get them to slide. Of course this story is now about 4th gen in the chinese whisper trail, so I take it's accurcary with pinch of salt, but it seems like it *should* be possible, and he certainaly was not able to get it to swap ends.. (and he tried, on a runway somewhere, with surface water flooding it) -Qyiet Electronics can only control the power (torque) or braking applied to individual wheels and for obvious reasons cannot control steering input. To get the Audi to swap ends would be very simple, get up to adequate speed in a straight line then wind on plenty of lock. Don't touch the accelerator or brakes and around she'll go. It is another urban myth, with an element of truth if you take into account traction control etc while accelerating. You could probably drive in a controlled circle on ice very safely, provided you started slow and built up speed until the electronics called a halt to your game, after that you would only circulate at the speed the car would allow, or slower. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
377936	2005-08-04 04:45:00	OK I have rethought the first post and have solved the problem yet again . We don't limit the engine capacity, but the engine watts . So people under 18 can't have a car where the unmodified engine makes more than say 85kw . Problem solved, hoons in 1100cc honda civic's don't look so cool .	netchicken (4843)
377937	2005-08-04 05:02:00	Simple . Manufacture a car made out of ruggedised plastic and rubber, with the aerodynamics of a fridge . It comes in one colour - dayglow orange . If it ever exceeds 105km onboard computer shuts off the engine and activates all the airbags (of which there are four - driver, passengers front and back), and plays a recording of a young woman saying "you are such a jerk" over and over . Change the legislation so that this car is the only car young drivers under the age of 23 are allowed to drive (except for work purposes) . Then set up a manufacturing plant in Gore to make it . Classic! I like you thinking . Its simple though, blame the government . As with all crime, the punishment simply does not fit . If you speed, modify your car illegally etc etc you get fined . You can tick these fines up until roughly about $20,000 before it gets upgraded (or downgraded) to community services, usually 100-200hrs . These fines however can be HP'd . My mate had $10,000 worth of fines which he was paying off at a monstrous sum of $10 p/w . Any subsequent fines were simply put on his tab . Do you really think that is going to discourage him (or anyone) from driving the way they do . Pink/Green stickers are like medals to these people . Fatalities are the same . Crash into someone and you get 3-6 months . Why murder someone when you can simply get into your car, drive into them and acheive the same result? As someone said earlier, take the car and crush it into a cube, preferably with them inside . Or castrate them, would then become pointless for them to drive the way they do .	Veale (536)
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