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Thread ID: 60654	2005-08-09 01:43:00	Destiny Church	Metla (12)	PC World Chat

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379674	2005-08-09 11:40:00	I just love these sort of threads/polls :rolleyes: Try to keep it reasonable and calm guys, no need to get het up over it - thanks.	Jen (38)
379675	2005-08-09 11:44:00	LOL as long as the fence sitting isnt like our new fence eh mets???? bit on the sharp end of stick side then. Think Happy thoughts, joy joy smile... :D beetle	beetle (243)
379676	2005-08-09 11:49:00	uh? Who cares who you would vote for in the election,did anyone ask?, who cares if you wish to vote in the poll?, not me I assure you. And a monkey would understand that the poll only reflects those that can and wish to vote, Thats the very nature of it, its relivence is for little more then a topic of conversation, Its not a revelation or any great truth uncovered.... OK then. The only poll that will work will be the one that happens when those people that are able to vote in September actually go to the polling booth and cast the vote according to what they think. Those people whom are not entitled to vote will not be able to. This will include some immigrants and those whom who have not enrolled. This does not include me. It may be helpful if all people whom are entitled to vote actually do so. We will then get the Government we deserve.	Elephant (599)
379677	2005-08-09 11:59:00	its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand.	robsonde (120)
379678	2005-08-09 12:19:00	Thanks to qyiet for the density church link - a great parody! Speaking of politics and religion, maybe Brian Tamaki doesn't understand the concept of separation of church and state? ( . citizensoldier . org/separationqanda . html" target="_blank">www . citizensoldier . org) You can see where that would be heading - tithe me your wages and your sins will be forgiven! :rolleyes: A	andrew93 (249)
379679	2005-08-09 12:38:00	I'm yet to see anyone banned from here for just "saying what's on their minds" unless its done with emphasis on abuse toward whoever is not agreeing, rather than debating the actual issue. Well I think that maybe you have not read all posts here as I have not. As for the Civil union bill, it merely allows gay couples who live together to have the same rights as heterosexual couples, such as pay more taxes because of thier partners earnings, involve lawyers in messy breakups thus insuring lawyers get everything and the couple can have whats left divided fairly rather than decide who gets what themselves, etc etc etc..... Why gay people were fighting for these "rights" i do not know. Seems to me they just lost the only two advantages they had over hetrosexual lifestyles. Why not use words like homosexual and lesbian rather than gay? As I have mentioned before. I would hate to be a child reading P.G.Wodehouse where in may be mentioned that Bertie Wooster went off to Bristol and had a "gay" time. What is a child supposed to make of that? Why not have agreements before you get into a relationship? A marriage is a committment for life. Until of course you decide you want a divorce. We have surely heard about pre-nuptial agreements. The Government is making a civil union equal to a marriage. Before that a defacto relationship was equal to a marriage. Before that a marriage was a marriage.	Elephant (599)
379680	2005-08-09 12:46:00	While I dislike the style of the Destiny Church I don't believe that anyone has the right to attack another persons faith-based beliefs. I would defend everyones right to believe what they want and to worship in a way that they see as pleasing to Him..... as long as no one is harmed. There are many fundamentalist movements, in many religions who have views which are seen as extreme by many of us. It's interesting to observe that the originator of this thread appears unwilling to explain their apparant dislike for this particular church. I would be interested to hear his views on some of the more specific stances that Desinty has taken. As for the political arm of Destiny Church, I think this should be kept seperate from the faith-based issue.	Standing_Amazed (7841)
379681	2005-08-09 12:59:00	Incidentally I use Metla as the name and you use Ele for mine. I have no problems using Murray P for a name assuming you want to use that. Point taken Elephant, I'll endeavour to use your correct moniker in future. As to the question of the Destiny political wing, it may have the same people and ideals behind it as the church but, this is a secular state, you cannot vote for the Destiny church directly. Like good conmen all over the world use the same techniques. One is using populist bandwagons to hitch a ride on, into the hearts and minds of the less discerning or those that can't be bothered thinking for themselves. It's blindingly obvious that Destiny is no different in this respect. BTW, that doesn't make some of the issues any less real or relevant, a plausible story line is a must in a good con after all, just the approach and end point that needs to be considered more carefully (like a very wide berth).	Murray P (44)
379682	2005-08-09 13:16:00	While I dislike the style of the Destiny Church I don't believe that anyone has the right to attack another persons faith-based beliefs . I would defend everyones right to believe what they want and to worship in a way that they see as pleasing to Him . . . . . as long as no one is harmed . There are many fundamentalist movements, in many religions who have views which are seen as extreme by many of us . It's interesting to observe that the originator of this thread appears unwilling to explain their apparant dislike for this particular church . I would be interested to hear his views on some of the more specific stances that Desinty has taken . As for the political arm of Destiny Church, I think this should be kept seperate from the faith-based issue . Your asking for unfetered acceptance of others beliefs and faith and, in this particular context when the subject of the discussion has a clamorous in your face style and appraent lack of respect for others view and beliefs . Then you ask the thread originator to explain his stance . Do you want him to justify it, compare it to your own standards? Just struggling to understand where your going with this, that's all . Mind you, I have no reluctance at all to state my dislike of Destiny and their ilk . They are, IMO, a parody of a church, they have very few real christian principles that I can fathom (maybe that's my problem) . They are a replay of many before them, which ultimately prove to be narrow minded movements run by self centred wealth and power seeking bigots . Unfortunately this sort of movement is having a disproportionate influence in such countries as America (Dominionists, et al) and any number of Muslim countries (take your pick) . In short, I don't think these sick . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . people should have the right to be left alone to spread their bile and mayhem .	Murray P (44)
379683	2005-08-09 13:41:00	Your asking for unfetered acceptance of others beliefs and faith . No, simply their right to believe what they want to believe . What gives the rest of us the right to ridicule their faith? Then you ask the thread originator to explain his stance . Do you want him to justify it, compare it to your own standards? . He has made several indications as to his leanings . I was just curious as to the reasons . Mind you, I have no reluctance at all to state my dislike of Destiny and their ilk . They are, IMO, a parody of a church, they have very few real christian principles that I can fathom (maybe that's my problem) . They are a replay of many before them, which ultimately prove to be narrow minded movements run by self centred wealth and power seeking bigots . Unfortunately this sort of movement is having a disproportionate influence in such countries as America (Dominionists, et al) and any number of Muslim countries (take your pick) . As I see it their whole movement is based on real Christian principles - albeit with some right-wing fundamentilist interpretations . take, for example, their stance against homosexuals: most Christians agree with much that they say, but are unwilling to march to the Beehive to say it . I also don't like the scary black garb they wore during the march because of what it appeared to say . In short, I don't think these sick . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . people should have the right to be left alone to spread their bile and mayhem . The followers of Destiny are certainly not sick, maybe a bit misguided but not sick .	Standing_Amazed (7841)
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