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| Thread ID: 60756 | 2005-08-12 04:58:00 | Say It Aint So! Linux Snobs?......Really? | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 380503 | 2005-08-12 13:56:00 | Old Gnome/KDE themes do look pretty nasty, but here's the latest look of KDE: www.canllaith.org Its a _lot_ nicer than windows by far.Chill, what's the "System" icon on the desktop about? :confused: |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 380504 | 2005-08-12 14:06:00 | The whole idea of the single entity called the "Linux Desktop" is a vague, ambiguous, and ultimately unworkeable one, because it is defined in terms of the Windows Desktop - i.e., the user is insulated from the innards of the system and only interacts with it graphically - whilst the very power and viability of a Linux system rest with the ability to get in under the hood and tweak. I bet users would complain about the Linux Desktop having a root password requirement to do various tasks. Another reason is the licensing. As anyone who has the ability can build and release their own desktops according to the license, no-one is compelled to use or contribute to just one desktop project. This is not fragmentation in a bad and chaotic way, this is choice. That is why there are so many alternatives in Linux - if people really supported the idea of a single "Linux Desktop", there would be one. It is not the lack of willpower, talent or organisation, but the lack of need or want for a single desktop. As for newbies, there is a minimum in terms of persistence, curiosity and open-mindedness required for Linux. It is the reality. Any less, and newbies might as well stick to Windows or MacOSX. |
vinref (6194) | ||
| 380505 | 2005-08-12 14:16:00 | Of course it is different to Windows and so is OS X for that matter. People find that hard getting used to. Anyway, there are certainly novice type people at my local Linux User's groups and quite a few don't use the command line. This might sound kinky :D On thursday night when i was having a wee party in a pub, i took flaptop, bent the lid back 180° and stropped it to hard to a wall on the piller in the middle of the pub running and logged in as guest. I did this because flaptop was feeding oggs and mp3s into the PA system, and trusted people were running through the files of music, dragging and dropping files into xmms, a kind of winamp for Linux. Of course the music files we're only available to "guest" as reads only files. Many of the pissed people using my laptop while sitting on a ledge by the mixing desk using optical mouse on thier knees would not know what unix or Linux was. "Drag and drop the files to where you want in the playlist." was all the tutoring required. |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 380506 | 2005-08-12 21:01:00 | Chill, what's the "System" icon on the desktop about? :confused:The icon opens up Konqueror and displays the "Home", "Remote Places", "Settings", "Storage Media" and "Trash" icons. Then for example, from the "Remote Places" icon you get the icons for Local Network, Network Services, Samba Shares and Add a Network wizard. If you put in Konquerors location bar system:/ you can also see the System icons. You can make yourself a desktop icon for system:/ if you wish. :) | Jen (38) | ||
| 380507 | 2005-08-12 21:41:00 | My self and a MS hating friend have this discussion about every week. Lately he was forced (by hardware) to chnage from 98 to XP. Like I was. So he has been ranting even more. I completely agree with him. However I completely agree with the original comment here too. It won't ever replace Windows until it is as easy to install/use as WIndows. (and I know many people still can't even cope with that) At this point its not. Theres too many flavours. Its still a bit of a fiddle with drivers. And the main point - GAMES. And don't bring up all this stuff about Wine and similar cop outs. The average home user will have to be able to walk into a shop, buy anything off the shelf, go home and run the wizardy install. And play it without needing to do anything else. Until then it remains the O/S for the more technically minded. Pity. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 380508 | 2005-08-12 22:12:00 | IRC should work fine on gaim. If you select auto login on all accounts, gaim will log in to all accounts on all protocols and display all contacts in one window, and all active chats in a seperate tabbed window. There should be no problems using IRC with gaim. I know. It does on *most* servers, but for some reason freenode and it's hostname checker falls over on my 222 IP. It happens in all OSs, but in particular GAIM won't send it a hostname to use( MIRC and Node do, hence IRC dosen't work in Linux, and as soon as I move to Bitstream it will :D) ANyway, must try the Ubuntu 5.04 live CD they sent me to see how that does. Caio :) |
Edward (31) | ||
| 380509 | 2005-08-12 22:45:00 | Personally Im too lazy and dont like installing Windows apps any more. Im just sick of all the mucking about. I can do it command-line or Gui: I click on the application I want and come back a few minutes later to find its gone off, found the application, downloaded and installed it. Dont like Command-line? PortHole or GuiToo are very nice GUI's that'll keep you away from it forever. I think its time I grabbed my old linux tarball and tried making the LiveCD again..... Here's hoping UnionFS has matured enough |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 380510 | 2005-08-12 22:48:00 | Personthingy: Ive had a similar experience, my mates just said to me "Where'd you get the cool WinAmp skin?". I declined to answer ;) Ignorance is bliss |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 380511 | 2005-08-12 23:25:00 | I'll just rewrite what i typed when i came in this morning tired after work as i'd like it to make sense to others :) Step 1. Run konsole as root. This gives you licence to kill :p Step 1a. If not logged in as root, type: "su - " and provide root password when promted. Step 2. Type: "apt-get install whatever" (whatever = what you want to install.) It's most likely that whatever you want can be found this way. Step 3. Wait and watch for a few minutes (on broadband) If watching screeds of text roll by bores you, then go eat an apple or something. You should have just enough time before step 4. Every component of what you need will be downloaded and installed. Step 4. Run your program. It's there for all users, complete with icons in a menu and all those nice touches. No reboots or other frustrations were needed. How much easier does it need to be? |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 380512 | 2005-08-13 01:10:00 | Prophetically, (here's another into the fire here) I think Windows will be perfected any day now, and there will be no more hackers and trojans and bad things that can ever bother Windows ever again!I'm guessing you meant this tongue in cheek. Otherwise, so long as Bill Gates or his ideals have anything to do with Windows, it will never be perfected. The history (and even the beginnings) of Windows shows us this. Take an application someone else has made, modify it to suit the needs of the general user, then market it for what we can get. Any bugs will be (possibly) ironed out along the way. I wasn't into computers when QBasic (I think this was Bill and mates first attempt at an O/S) or Win3.x came out, but I am guessing Bill and his mates have been pumping out O/Ss for 15 years (possibly). And they still haven't got round to ironing out all the problems |
Myth (110) | ||
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