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| Thread ID: 60606 | 2005-08-07 03:05:00 | Quiz Question | Dally (6292) | PC World Chat |
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| 379137 | 2005-08-08 22:45:00 | So, the point is that all Christians are evil Hitler-like meglomaniacs? :groan: There are cynical dishonest people in the world . They will attach themselves to whatever cause seems the most popular in order to advance themselves . That doesn't invalidate the religion, principle, or group which finds itself being used . I suppose one could say,the muslims are a case in point . |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 379138 | 2005-08-08 23:07:00 | Winston - I think the point is exactly as you have stated it but how do you recognise these dishonest cynical people. Did someone tell George Bush that he would never become the President unless he became a christian so he immediately became born again. Is Brian Tamaki truly christian or just out to acquire wealth? | Dally (6292) | ||
| 379139 | 2005-08-08 23:09:00 | Hmm...Me thinks these people don't attach themselves to causes because it suits but truly believe what they say. All people twist religion to reflect what they themselves think, Its a human trait. I'm sure the German soilders, hell any soilder who prays to god before entering battle believes they are doing the right thing. And that Destiny Church guy is a tool, as are his subscribers. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 379140 | 2005-08-08 23:19:00 | And that Destiny Church guy is a tool, as are his subscribers. x 2 Very interesting, as someone else pointed out, that the statement could as easily be ascribed to him as to Hitler. |
Greg (193) | ||
| 379141 | 2005-08-08 23:28:00 | Hmm...Me thinks these people don't attach themselves to causes because it suits but truly believe what they say. All people twist religion to reflect what they themselves think, Its a human trait. I'm sure the German soilders, hell any soilder who prays to god before entering battle believes they are doing the right thing. And that Destiny Church guy is a tool, as are his subscribers. Who can say what evil buggers think? We tend to say,I wouldn't therefore they wouldn't. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 379142 | 2005-08-08 23:38:00 | I'm sure Adolf and GW have the same speach writers. Just before the US + friends invaded iraq, I read a speach given by adolf, just before WWII. It was scary. All you had to do was swap a few names around, and you were reading more or less the same thing as GW was saying on the news. -Qyiet |
qyiet (6730) | ||
| 379143 | 2005-08-09 00:51:00 | I'm sure Adolf and GW have the same speach writers. Just before the US + friends invaded iraq, I read a speach given by adolf, just before WWII. It was scary. All you had to do was swap a few names around, and you were reading more or less the same thing as GW was saying on the news. -Qyiet I think it is worth remembering that Hilter was the 20th Century's premier propagandist. He successfully came to power, and maintained it by appealing to a wide range of differing social and political groups within Germany. Despite comments such as the speech quoted here, he is on record as being hostile to Christianity. Hitler had only one religion - "National Socialism" - and the further he went the more the values of national socialism were seen to conflict with Christianity. He initially went along way to appear more moderate in order to get by in from the conservative middle classes, hence his appeals to Christian values, but this, like so much else he said an did in the 1930s as he solidified his grip on Germany, was purely pragmatic. During the war years many of the the most prominant anti-Hitler resisters came from the ranks of the Church and the Gestapo persecuted and murdered many priests. You cannot take quoate slike that from Hitler at face value, andany attempt to paint him as a Christian zelaot is misguided. And a similar attempt to draw a parallel between GW and Hitler is also misguided. |
Biggles (121) | ||
| 379144 | 2005-08-09 01:41:00 | Of course. Hitler had better speech writers, and GW Bush has more money. Not much to choose between their choice of associates, though. ;) | Graham L (2) | ||
| 379145 | 2005-08-09 02:08:00 | Winston - I think the point is exactly as you have stated it but how do you recognise these dishonest cynical people. Did someone tell George Bush that he would never become the President unless he became a christian so he immediately became born again. Is Brian Tamaki truly christian or just out to acquire wealth? Good question and as Bruce says, it really is a matter of weighing their actions against their words. However I agree with Metla that many leaders are genuine in their beliefs. Hitler wasn't in terms of christianity. And IMHO it is nonsense to compare Hitler and George Bush. There is no parallel. Diane Sawyer interviewed Saddam Hussain a few years ago and asked why no-one could criticise him in Iraq. He said it wouldn't happen in America either, and she replied explaining that mocking the President was practically a national sport. Comedians did it nightly on television. Saddam was a bit nonplussed and simply said "it is not our way". Yeah right - oppressive dictatorship. The right to speak freely does not exist in some countries at all. North Korea, Iran, China. So George Bush is now giving the people of Iraq a chance at democracy, which means a chance to mock him. Ironic really. If the Americans were really imperialist ogres, they'd install a puppet governor and delay elections for decades. Frankly, who could stop them? As for the Hitler comparison, where is the American Poland? Auschwitz? |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
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