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Thread ID: 60840	2005-08-14 23:44:00	Who are you gonna vote for?? (Govt Election)	rmcb (164)	PC World Chat

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381251	2005-08-18 10:17:00	Mark,I have no objection to you doing what you like,I still say I dont like paying for other peoples children. Is this a new thing or did taxes not pay for that time you were born and your education and unless you have over a million in the bank the children you dont want to help will be paying taxes towards your retirement. Geez we are becoming a selfish society.	sam m (517)
381252	2005-08-18 10:18:00	Just like to say,that having no children,have always disliked subsidising those that have. So, you won't be complaining about their lack of education or nursing skills when they are wiping your backside and feeding you soup in your dotage then? :D Today's children are tomorrow's adults and they carry our future and the future of the planet in their hands. We'd all like to think that they will be half-way competent when they take over wouldn't we? I don't think we can be so smug as to say we got it all right, so if we don't try to help them we will get exactly what we deserve. Euthanesia may start to sound an attractive alternative. IMHO it doesn't matter whether you have kids or not, we are all equally responsible for ensuring that those who are out there are properly equipped to cary on after we give up. Of course you could be lucky and be able to lean on a nephew or niece that somebody else raised and educated. Cheers Billy 8-{) :2cents:	Billy T (70)
381253	2005-08-18 10:18:00	....Don't you participate here at PressF1 because you get a kick out of helping people? Isn't that a knowledge subsidy? Struth. We're humans. We live together. That's what makes life a joy...........................m Maybe people come here to get an ego trip? :) But what are we going to do about overpopulation? It is the biggest problem facing the world causing strife and internecine warfare everywhere, and here is the government encouraging yet more growth, which will mean even more oil to be consumed! The Chinese have a one child per family policy, strongly enforced I believe. Under New Right philosophy, all problems can be solved by market forces and fiscal policies, so no special payments or subsidies for having a large family shouldn't upset anyone from that end of the spectrum. The Catholic Church would have their followers producing ever more souls for salvation, whereas the Buddists just recycle theirs. (Note as you read this you can't actually see the grin on my face, but I neither confirm nor deny whether I do or do not believe anything I've said)	Terry Porritt (14)
381254	2005-08-18 10:48:00	I agree entirely with what you say Terry Porrit, even given that you say that that's not what you say. :D	mark c (247)
381255	2005-08-18 11:02:00	So, you won't be complaining about their lack of education or nursing skills when they are wiping your backside and feeding you soup in your dotage then? :D Today's children are tomorrow's adults and they carry our future and the future of the planet in their hands. We'd all like to think that they will be half-way competent when they take over wouldn't we? I don't think we can be so smug as to say we got it all right, so if we don't try to help them we will get exactly what we deserve. Euthanesia may start to sound an attractive alternative. IMHO it doesn't matter whether you have kids or not, we are all equally responsible for ensuring that those who are out there are properly equipped to cary on after we give up. Of course you could be lucky and be able to lean on a nephew or niece that somebody else raised and educated. Cheers Billy 8-{) :2cents: We are not goimg to agree here. I just think,if you are going to have children,it would be a good idea to ask yourselves if you can afford to bring them up,not rely on me to do it for you. Just the principle of self reliance is soon forgotten,it wouldn't do in the wild west.That is not to say I wouldn't help my neighbor,I would,but object to being forced to do so,as in,no choice in paying tax to bring up others children.	Cicero (40)
381256	2005-08-19 00:14:00	We are not goimg to agree here . I just think,if you are going to have children,it would be a good idea to ask yourselves if you can afford to bring them up,not rely on me to do it for you . Just the principle of self reliance is soon forgotten,it wouldn't do in the wild west . That is not to say I wouldn't help my neighbor,I would,but object to being forced to do so,as in,no choice in paying tax to bring up others children . Relax Ciccy You will be pleased to know that we received no direct funding from you for the raising of our children, we seemed to miss out completely on the benefit gravy-train . Of course we do enjoy the taxpayer-funded education and health infrastructure, plus any other community dollar-dribbles that are out there, but you enjoyed that too as a child, in fact more so because your education was virtually free, as was mine, whereas we now pay enormous amounts per year for our children's free education, free medical care and all of the other so-called freebies that are not free at all . So you see, we did make sure we could afford them before they were brought into the world . On top of that I have to spend many unpaid hours assisting in the management of the education system via our Board of Trustees, and fundraising for resources that my children will never get to use because they will have left school long before they are built, so I think you are actually doing alright out of the current system . Children are our future and our immortality, so it is just as well we (and other parents) did make the effort and the sacrifices, or the human race would cease to exist . In a very short time, all that would be left would be a load of old people dribbling into their pillows and complaining that they couldn't get anybody to come and feed them . Of course you could always ask the government to give you back the $20 of your tax that went to KOOPS, but you don't want to sound like a Grinch now do you? Cheers Billy 8-{) ;)	Billy T (70)
381257	2005-08-19 08:55:00	Relax Ciccy You will be pleased to know that we received no direct funding from you for the raising of our children, we seemed to miss out completely on the benefit gravy-train . Of course we do enjoy the taxpayer-funded education and health infrastructure, plus any other community dollar-dribbles that are out there, but you enjoyed that too as a child, in fact more so because your education was virtually free, as was mine, whereas we now pay enormous amounts per year for our children's free education, free medical care and all of the other so-called freebies that are not free at all . So you see, we did make sure we could afford them before they were brought into the world . On top of that I have to spend many unpaid hours assisting in the management of the education system via our Board of Trustees, and fundraising for resources that my children will never get to use because they will have left school long before they are built, so I think you are actually doing alright out of the current system . Children are our future and our immortality, so it is just as well we (and other parents) did make the effort and the sacrifices, or the human race would cease to exist . In a very short time, all that would be left would be a load of old people dribbling into their pillows and complaining that they couldn't get anybody to come and feed them . Of course you could always ask the government to give you back the $20 of your tax that went to KOOPS, but you don't want to sound like a Grinch now do you? Cheers Billy 8-{) ;) Rest assured B I am both relaxed and resigned to having paid tax for others children . At no point would I suggest that you don't follow your basic instinct to procreate,all I ask is you pay for the privilege not me . I largely have provided for myself and simply suggest others do the same . No idea what KOOPS is all about but am looking forward to dribbling in my soup . ;) More for kids! The middle-class welfare package announced yesterday throws approximately $400 million a year at a target group of around 250,000 voters – middle income voters with kids .	Cicero (40)
381258	2005-08-19 09:20:00	[QUOTE=Cicero]No idea what KOOPS is all about but am looking forward to dribbling in my soup. ;) QUOTE] Ahhh.......KOOPs......I thought somebody might ask. Kids Of Other People :D I respect your point of view Ciccy, but it was fun to debate wasn't it? Cheers Billy 8-{) :thumbs:	Billy T (70)
381259	2005-08-19 09:36:00	[QUOTE=Cicero]No idea what KOOPS is all about but am looking forward to dribbling in my soup. ;) QUOTE] Ahhh.......KOOPs......I thought somebody might ask. Kids Of Other People :D I respect your point of view Ciccy, but it was fun to debate wasn't it? Cheers Billy 8-{) :thumbs: '''I respect your point of view Ciccy, but it was fun to debate wasn't it?" Absolutely B,Oh if only I had all the answers. :thumbs:	Cicero (40)
381260	2005-08-19 11:34:00	I just think,if you are going to have children,it would be a good idea to ask yourselves if you can afford to bring them up,not rely on me to do it for you. As you know, despite my slightly pinko moments, we are in complete agreement. It beggars belief the teenagers and slightly older people who have children with no commitment to one another and the raising of their joint offspring. I know the Liable Parent scheme is a mess to deal with but the main problem is that men simply don't see why they should pay the upkeep on their own child. The problem is - it aint the childs fault. And if we leave mother and child to fend for themselves, we just create future problems.	Winston001 (3612)
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