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| Thread ID: 60834 | 2005-08-14 11:47:00 | Stingray Firewall | zqwerty (97) | PC World Chat |
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| 381078 | 2006-02-10 07:14:00 | Well, i agree with Terry, Foxy and Tweak. Julie is on the payroll, simple. There is no idiot proof device, If people don't make the effort to understand a little about running their PC then they will munt it, Simple. If they are incapable of that tiny level of effort...then they should buy a Mac, They are designed for idiots. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 381079 | 2006-02-10 07:23:00 | No Ninja, I do not work for these guys but they should pay me (lol). I came across this site a while ago and offered my opinion but it has seemed to have escalated into quite a debate. And has deviated into a hardware/software issue. The reason I am passionate about this particular product is because I am using it and understand concerns that alot of my clients have. I have also seen it in action and the amount of savings and headaches it has prevented when introduced into various scenerios. And Fox, I do know how much it is in NZ. or if it is even available there? I do know that compared to actual hardware firewalling solutions, it is reasonable. After all, routers are susceptable, I have my Stingray placed infront of my router. About running over to hit the bypass button to allow a particular application, I have been using this unit for almost two years now and have not had the need to hit the bypass button. :thumbs: |
Julie (8718) | ||
| 381080 | 2006-02-10 07:45:00 | Same thing, if they are not reliable then they do not work. Hence, the only thing that does work to prevent infections and attacks and malware is Software firewalls? This is a pretty BOLD statement.what planet are you on? your pc isn't 100% reliable, your car isn't, your house isn't. it dosn't mean your car, pc and house dosn't do their jobs. i never said a software firewall will prevent all infections, i said NO firewall can prevent infections. PLEASE READ POSTS FIRST. a software firewall can stop the infection from accessing the net from the pc and a hardware firewall dosn't even give the user a chance to stop it, its lets it straight through. Here is a simple fact, before the Hardware revolution, people made do with Software solutions, and guess what, it was NOT perfect then and it is not perfect NOW. This is why hardware solutions was introduced to the average user. At one point, only large corporations could afford hardware. Now, it is cost effective enough for the average joe. Why fight the obvious? Plus, I do not know of any tech.'s that enjoys fixing problems from a remote location. Hence, if they can find a solution to overcome this dilemna, I am sure that they will jump at it. Again, abviously your software firewall is NOT cutting it. what a load of PR bull. really :( hardware firewalls are cheap and easy to make. why dosn't every one have one? apart from the hassle of makeing it most don't NEED one. This is where you would utilize av and as solutions, which has much SMALLER FOOTPRINTS then software firewalls. Plus, without signatures for viruses, a software firewall is intelligent enough to identify the infection, hmmmmmmmm. Relying on the users to identify bad traffic is foolhardy. Get a good AV and AS and this problem will be solved. Plus, a lot less resource usage. :rolleyes: again your assuming that AV will stop what an external firewall can't. it won't and you know it. AV can't stop internet explorer accessing the net can it. you need to remmber that before AV and AS signatures get made some poor bugger has to get infected before anyone knows about it. its only AFTER the malware has started doing the rounds that AV/AS can detect it. this is often a day or 2 for critical or even a week depending on AV. malware is harder, it can takes weeks/months before its noticed. dureing that time it has full reign on your pc. bye bye bank details, credit card, paypal, ebay passwords, you name it. a software firewall can block it well before the AV or AS will detect it. have a search through the forums.....there are 100,000's of cases of people where fully uptodate AV has completely missed infections. and you STILL havn't explained how stingray,AV and AS are going to stop my legit bandwidth hogging keyboard driver. NONE of them can. av/as don't flag it as its legit. stingray won't stop it. only a software firewall is going to give the user the ability to stop it. don't get me wrong here, stringray may be a good hardware firewall but how many people actually NEED one. only those with static IP's who are running servers (dos stingray allow servers?).(a lot of ISP's will only let you have static IP on a commerical acc and ban servers on home accounts). even with stingray a software firewall is still required for outbound. julie.......asuming your a fan and not a spammer..... have you actually tested it? have you tried the many "toleaky" or leaktest (www.grc.com) tests that are around? |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 381081 | 2006-02-10 08:04:00 | If you Google on Stingray, it will be seen that this thread is providing heaps of free publicity, perhaps that is the object ? :) | Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 381082 | 2006-02-10 08:07:00 | This things ridiculous. It's got a predetermined set of rules, and allows established connections. Just like pretty much any router. If it happens to block something that won't work through it, the only solution is to press the bypass button which shuts it's filtering off. The first two reviews I read say it didn't work with P2P so had to be shut off - leaving you completely unprotected - which is if anything more risky. You can't put your own filters or rule sets in at all. And the "hides your IP address" claim is just stupid. Waste of money imho. |
ninja (1671) | ||
| 381083 | 2006-02-10 08:14:00 | I'm beginning to think about this (forums.pcworld.co.nz) thread. | Antmannz (6583) | ||
| 381084 | 2006-02-10 08:21:00 | I'm beginning to think about this (forums.pcworld.co.nz) thread. ROFL :lol: :D :lol: |
Overdrive_5000 (4950) | ||
| 381085 | 2006-02-10 08:23:00 | Tweak'e, I have really enjoyed our debate :thumbs: I am not saying that software firewalls are not a good idea, and for outgoing communication, it definately works . All I am saying is using it in conjunction with your Stingray can reduce alot of the latency associated with the software . Plus, eliminating incoming prompts can also allow the user to concentrate on outgoing intiatives and train the software properly . I believe that there are no 'wonder pills' or swiss army remedies . One must assess the solution and implement it accordingly . Hence, use solutions in conjuction with eachother, according to their core compentency, and you will achieve an optimal security level . They also provide a free av in the package . Not paying subscriptions fees or purchasing another av is also a cost effective approach . Regarding leak test, I read in one the forums that it did indeed pass the leak tests but I will check it out myself . Maybe I should apply for a job with these guys but I don't think that they could afford me (lol) . :blush: |
Julie (8718) | ||
| 381086 | 2006-02-10 08:31:00 | alway enjoy a good debate :) my last (hopefully) 2 cents worth...... seeing as you need a software firewall and already have an external firewall in the adsl modem (you have to have an external modem for stingray to work), there is not much more protection another firewall can give. the question to consumers is....... is that extra bit of sicurity worth the $$$ ? |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 381087 | 2006-02-10 19:05:00 | I thought that I would go against the grain and hold a compromise but Tweak'e, what world are you living in? Your claim that 95% of threats was probably true 5 years ago but that is not the case today. 70-80% of Internet threats are external through un-authorized connection attempts, designer Internet viruses (such as sasser, msblaster, etc.), etc. ICSA and other certified bodies that monitor and provide signatures to prevent viruses are quite proficient in what they do. In fact, a signature is now normally available within hours of conception. Therefore, with a good AV and AS in place, the odds of becoming infected is quite small. Even if that happens, scan on a regular basis and the odds becomes smaller. Hence, internal threat can be contained with a good AV and AS in place. A software firewall is only as good as the user. Therefore, it is only a matter of time until you are fooled and an illegitimate request, infection and/or takeover occurs. Off we go to the tech $$$. Most trojans are of a dormant quality. They try to leave a backdoor open and wait for wakeup from the source. Again, running your scans on a regular basis removes these threats. Having a device that prevent un-authorized connections prevent any wakeup opportunties. A software firewall resides and relies on the os, that it resides on, to be its eyes and ears. Therefore, if the os is corrupted what happens to the program that relies on it? If you have the ability to turn off your software firewall, so does everyone and everything else including an infection. I am sorry but I do not wish to rely on something that will impede my computers performance, rely on the consumers technical knowledge, and becomes so intimately associated with the operating system that one infection or event can cripple my computer. I will live with my external Stingray, maintain proper computer hygene through regular scans and always make sure that the signatures are up-to-date. This is much easier to do and more cost effective then the risks associated with what you are proposing. By the way, most modems do not come with a built-in firewall. ;) |
Julie (8718) | ||
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