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Thread ID: 60872	2005-08-16 07:14:00	Carless Days.	Elephant (599)	PC World Chat

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381606	2005-08-17 01:48:00	The question should be, why should I not be allowed to have this? Last time I checked, capitalism was based on individualism.Lo. Agree 100%. Allot of people here seemed to have been to dictator school or listened to the comments from Helengrade too much.	paulw (1826)
381607	2005-08-17 02:04:00	Anarchy doesn't work, people are too selfish. Capitalism works best when there are some governmental constraints. To keep society in some kind of order where the weaker, poorer people have some chance at surviving requires rules that can be enforced. People have to realise that their individual wants can often impact too severely on the wants of others and some kind of moderation needs to be exercised.	stevesumner (4849)
381608	2005-08-17 02:09:00	Sure - but who said anything about anarchy? Just because I have a car capable of going 200km/hr, doesn't mean I am going to travel that, does it? A mini can reach over 110km/hr, but it's neither a turbo car, nor a V8 - where does that fit into Lizard's argument? End result is that I still have my monster V12 or whatever, but travel in a speed confirming to any rules and regulations. I fail to see how removing my freedom to choose whatever car I want is going to help others. If I've worked hard for this money, I should be able to dispose of it how I wish to within our nation's legal framework. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
381609	2005-08-17 02:13:00	That will be all academic when the oil has run out. People will still be racing around proclaiming their 'rights' as their car consumes the very last drop of fuel :)	Terry Porritt (14)
381610	2005-08-17 02:52:00	Sure - but who said anything about anarchy? Just because I have a car capable of going 200km/hr, doesn't mean I am going to travel that, does it? A mini can reach over 110km/hr, but it's neither a turbo car, nor a V8 - where does that fit into Lizard's argument? End result is that I still have my monster V12 or whatever, but travel in a speed confirming to any rules and regulations. I fail to see how removing my freedom to choose whatever car I want is going to help others. If I've worked hard for this money, I should be able to dispose of it how I wish to within our nation's legal framework. Lo. As I said, there are plenty of reasons under freedom of the individual - I'm not arguing against that in principle. I just wonder what argument people can come up with in terms of need to have a car that travels that fast. If the speed limit is 100km/h, why does the car need to go at 200 km/h? People may not go that fast (but there plenty that do) - if cars were governed to, say, 120km/h, then people would be able to do the maximum the law allows, with a bit extra for passing if necessary. If someone can come up with a justifable reason for cars owned by the general public that can travel faster than 120km/h (excluding emergency services), other than personal desire to travel fast then I would conceed the point. As for how this would help others, it would conceivably reduce the intensity of automotive-related injuries or fatalities (people could still drive at 100km/h in a 50km/h zone - as I said, the idea is far from perfect), among other things.	Lizard (2409)
381611	2005-08-17 03:38:00	You forget that law abiding people don't need restrictions,and those that dont give a damn,still wont give a damn. Having no regard for the current laws or people that share the road they will simply bypass any govener installed onto a car. Hell, Trucks are speed limited to in Aussie,and they were always flying past me on the motorway.	Metla (12)
381612	2005-08-17 03:40:00	And I suggest doubling the cost of fuel in Auckland. Even if just for ****s and giggles.	Metla (12)
381613	2005-08-17 03:43:00	You forget that law abiding people don't need restrictions,and those that dont give a damn,still wont give a damn. Having no regard for the current laws or people that share the road they will simply bypass any govener installed onto a car. Hell, Trucks are speed limited to in Aussie,and they were always flying past me on the motorway. Good points, Metla. As I said, not a perfect idea (far from it, just on the technical basis). But the fact that law-abiding people don't need restrictions (and that non-law abiding people wouldn't give a damn) doesn't provide a reason for having cars that can go much faster than the speed limits...	Lizard (2409)
381614	2005-08-17 03:49:00	If the Government were serious about the road toll, they would sort something out with speed cameras and trucks. If you can't create a speed camera which will capture the fact that trucks are travelling over 108 km/hr when their limit is 90 km/hr, then the creation of a "speed limiter" for all cars is nothing more than wishful thinking. And hell, I love the feeling of acceleration. Doesn't mean that I'm going out to travel at 200km/hr everywhere, but I'm a law abiding citizen and travel well within the speed limits posted. Top "theoretical" speeds don't translate into everyday driving. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
381615	2005-08-17 05:38:00	There's no way to make them slow. An electronic limiter can be easily bypassed, and engine size won't work: If you want a car to cruise at 100km/h at reasonable (2500rpm) revs, that means that at redline it can be going over 200km/h. So all that's left is engine power. Problem is, if you make bog-standard cars with a top speed of say 200-250km/h any less powerful, they'll be slow at accelerating and have difficulty climbing hills. EG: My toyota corolla station wagon is 87hp, and will go at 160, possibly more (wouldn't know). Officially it says it can do 200. But yet one has to go wide open throttle in fourth gear to do 80 up some uphill motorway bits. Make it weak enough to have a top speed of 120km/h and it will only be able to do about 50 up that bit of motorway, which is no good. A friend of mine has a very steep driveway which the car can JUST get up in first gear. Make it less powerful and it couldn't do it at all. Think about this - limiting a car like this would mean it wouldn't really be able to tow at all. That is why cars have high top speeds.	george12 (7)
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