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| Thread ID: 60840 | 2005-08-14 23:44:00 | Who are you gonna vote for?? (Govt Election) | rmcb (164) | PC World Chat |
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| 381411 | 2005-09-09 03:40:00 | Look at this... insidious govt department undermining the official line? The bold and capitals really show they are trying to make a point..... www.jobsletter.org.nz ONE IN 16 PEOPLE OFFICIALLY JOBLESS IN NZ According to Statistics NZ, the difference between the official "unemployment" figures and the "jobless figures" is that many of the people on the jobless measurement are available for work, but not actively seeking it. The reasons for not actively seeking work range from people being discouraged because they lack the skills needed, or were the wrong age, or that the right work was not available in their area, or they were only looking for jobs in their newspaper. This measurement also includes those actively seeking work but not yet available for it. OFFICIAL NUMBER OF JOBLESS IN NZ June 2005 141,300 people OFFICIAL RATE OF JOBLESS June 2005 6.4% OR ONE IN 16 PEOPLE |
netchicken (4843) | ||
| 381412 | 2005-09-09 03:47:00 | The official unemployment figures are skewed. Count all the people on sickness benefits too and that figure suddenly jumps. Then count people who are not on a benefit but still trying to get work - that may be because they have a partner who works and therefore do not qualify for a benefit. They are not counted even if they register with WINZ (which you can do and still not receive money from them). Anyone who works 5 hours or 10 hours a week is counted as employed. Even if they may be trying to find full time employment. Then take all these jobs mentioned - maybe its not their area of skill - you think employers hire anyone? NO, they don't. They're picky. Unless it is slave labour or somethng gross. Shop work for instance though... My brother gave up - he has been on an invalid benefit for ages now. Back in around 1995 he completed a Polytech course - National Certificate in Computing or whatever - it was similar to what I had done. Didn't matter. He would get the interviews and then the minute they saw him there would be an excuse or even no explanation. Because they didn't want to hire a handicapped person. Also one HUGE thing that annoys me. If you get the DPB you can do a proper qualification at a polytech or Uni and WINZ pays it. If you are on the dole tough luck - not only do they not pay for it - you're not even allowed to do one. Now if you could - a lot of people would get a decent career out of it not just some rubbish low paid dead end no future job. Which is the majority of whats offered at WINZ. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 381413 | 2005-09-09 06:57:00 | The official unemployment figures are skewed. Count all the people on sickness benefits too and that figure suddenly jumps. I can't remember where I read it, but there was an article that said one of the reasons our unemployment rate has dropped lately is due to an increased number of people being put on sickness benefits instead. Basically the numbers are just being twisted to look better than they really are. There is apparently a shortage of people available for jobs such as fruit picking. In fact, companies are having to get people to come in from overseas to do the job while people on unemployment benefits sit around and do nothing. If there are not enough jobs, then that's fine. But when there are jobs available in areas which do not require any skills what so ever no-one should be on an unemployment benefit. I bet that if you wiped it all together you would find that some of these people might by some kind of miracle find a job. :thumbs: To make matters worse, National want to get rid of enrollment schemes & have all the schools wasting resources on battling each other for students. You have to look at this the other way as well. Do you want to be forced to send your children to a terrible school just because you are in zone for it? |
bob05 (8721) | ||
| 381414 | 2005-09-09 08:30:00 | I think part of the problem is in the benefit system. If you do go off the dole there is a two week stand down before you can go back on. If you're going to get a job for a week and de-register the dole then say you clear (in the hand, after tax) 350=400 dollars the next two weeks cut off would take off 320 off that. So there is a disincentive. I think it would be sensible to scrap the two week stand-down and that would get people into casual work as it came up and be helpful to the employers. (And don't forget thet the US has no dole (well, very limited) and yet still has high unemployment.) |
mark c (247) | ||
| 381415 | 2005-09-10 23:10:00 | well if i COULD vote (im only 12) i would vote 4 either nz first or united future becuase both have clear family policies. national is ok but their new resouce managment act gives me the creeps, especially the bit about cutting out the public imput (pylons anyone) | techiekid (7219) | ||
| 381416 | 2005-09-11 07:03:00 | Labour or Greens. As far as I can see Don Brash isn't as intellectual as we all thought he was and the media are way over rating the tax cuts. Labour and Greens seem to have the best Leaders and are best suited for the majority of New Zealanders. -Bisdale |
Bisdale (7228) | ||
| 381417 | 2005-09-11 08:00:00 | Labour or Greens. As far as I can see Don Brash isn't as intellectual as we all thought he was and the media are way over rating the tax cuts. I disagree. Tax cuts benefit the country as a whole. More money in people's pockets means more is saved (ie. increasing funds available for investment), makes the country much more attractive to foreign investors etc and everyone is happier. Labour's family benefit bribes do absolutely nothing to try and fix our failing economy. Unfortunately proportion of the population who actually understand how an economy works seems to dwindling. New Zealand is becoming more socialist by the day. Labour and Greens seem to have the best Leaders and are best suited for the majority of New Zealanders. You have to be kidding me. If you believe in socialism then Ms Clark may be an appealing choice, but you have to ask yourself who will pay for all the social welfare she seems to love so much as more and more highly skill New Zealanders get sick of having their taxes redistributed as she sees fit and leave. As far as the Greens go, I think it is important they have a few seats in Parliament but the reality is the both major parties are quite environmentally conscious and at the moment the Greens are getting far to much recognition. I think carbon tax speaks for itself. :groan: |
bob05 (8721) | ||
| 381418 | 2005-09-11 08:13:00 | Governments lose elections . However it is unusual for any government to lose when times are good . When an economy is performing well, voters are largely disinterested at election time . A poll which showed that people were more interested in who would win NZ Idol than the general election, says a lot about the likely result . I'll be happily suprised if Labour loses . |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 381419 | 2005-09-11 08:22:00 | For a while I was going to vote for Winston . As he was under 5% and losing his seat I thought life without him in the beehive would be so boring he's worth it for the entertainment value alone . However he has slid up to 7% so he off my list now . |
netchicken (4843) | ||
| 381420 | 2005-09-11 09:12:00 | However he has slid up to 7% so he off my list now. He will have a big problem if all his supporters see him polling above 5% and change their vote. ;) |
bob05 (8721) | ||
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