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| Thread ID: 60834 | 2005-08-14 11:47:00 | Stingray Firewall | zqwerty (97) | PC World Chat |
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| 381038 | 2005-08-28 06:43:00 | and here's a similar one called iphantom (www.iphantom.com). or would this sought of device be putting all you computer tech's out of buisness, I am very curious about these device's, and am waiting for a favorite jurno to finish his review on one, before I make further judgement... | plod (107) | ||
| 381039 | 2005-08-28 07:10:00 | and here's a similar one called iphantom (www.iphantom.com). or would this sought of device be putting all you computer tech's out of buisness, I am very curious about these device's, and am waiting for a favorite jurno to finish his review on one, before I make further judgement...So long as people use Windows, and Nortons, and email clients, and lame as firewalls, and forget to update their AVG, and use useless antispyware apps; techs will never be out of business. During my Windows days I had Outpost pro firewall, BitDefender Standard AntiVirus, and Spybot antispyware. I spent many a day in the nether regions of the Internet, and was lucky if I ever caught more than a bad cookie, mainly due to Outpost Pro and BitDefenders popups telling you what was trying to access my system |
Myth (110) | ||
| 381040 | 2005-08-28 10:17:00 | with any uncontrolled system eg a home pc you need someway of the user being able to control what accesses their pc and what accesses the net from their pc . the tech side of it is realtively easy, the human side of it is the hard part . Julie, in your case its only a matter of fooling you into downloading a file (ie a new program to try out), av won't pick it up as its too new, antispyware won't find it and without some way of controlling applications access to the net you could very easy kiss goodbye to your banking passwords etc . the other way is to just use a legit software, no AV etc will stop it . the other thing is more spyware related . the problem is what do you call spyware . what one program calls spyware another dosn't . even MS antispyware is known to remove legit programs . at the end of the day its the users resposibity to control what their pc does and what programs on it access the net . personal firewall with application contol is one of the easiest ways to do it . if someone can't work out how to click yes or no and use a bit of comman sence than they really shouldn't be useing a pc . as far as useing stingray . . . no i havn't and i never will . its really nothing new, commerical companies use simielar equipment . however their pc enviroment is strictly controlled, a home users pc is not . plenty of IT pros have argued that personal firewalls are not needed and an external firewal is all thats needed . that idea has been shot down in flames so many times its not even funny . a device like stingray is a nice addon but not a replacement for existing software firewalls . |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 381041 | 2005-08-28 10:38:00 | even MS antispyware is known to remove legit programs. Not to mention MS Antispyware is known to not alert you to certain spyware too. Unless of course you configure it first. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 381042 | 2005-08-28 10:44:00 | and here's a similar one called iphantom ( . iphantom . com/product . html#howitworks" target="_blank">www . iphantom . com) . or would this sought of device be putting all you computer tech's out of buisness, I am very curious about these device's, and am waiting for a favorite jurno to finish his review on one, before I make further judgement . . . Sounds good to me . (I remain dubious of its "hack-proof claim though) I'm in favour of things that protect PCs . Removing infestations of various sorts is not my favourite tech pastime - I would much prefer to be fixing PCs, upgrading PCs and building PCs . However 50% of my business remains infestation removal and control . In fact I have ceased being tech for one customer now - due to his using it exclusively for porn and his utter refusal to run spyware etc scans himself . He blissfully ignores everything I tell him and persisted so many times in asking me to come back and clean it out again that I told him to find a new tech . Easy money? Maybe but I prefer customers who are willing to listen and learn . |
pctek (84) | ||
| 381043 | 2005-08-28 10:46:00 | add a bit here....... external adsl modems have a basic firewall in them, add a software firewall on the pc, why on earth would you want yet another firewall sitting in between the pc and the modem? isn't that just useless overkill ? |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 381044 | 2005-08-28 10:49:00 | Sounds good to me . (I remain dubious of its "hack-proof claim though) I'm in favour of things that protect PCs . Removing infestations of various sorts is not my favourite tech pastime - I would much prefer to be fixing PCs, upgrading PCs and building PCs . However 50% of my business remains infestation removal and control . In fact I have ceased being tech for one customer now - due to his using it exclusively for porn and his utter refusal to run spyware etc scans himself . He blissfully ignores everything I tell him and persisted so many times in asking me to come back and clean it out again that I told him to find a new tech . Easy money? Maybe but I prefer customers who are willing to listen and learn . so is the iphantom and stingray not similar devices? I heard about the phantom a couple of weeks ago then I saw this thread and without reading to much about each they sounded like the same thing |
plod (107) | ||
| 381045 | 2005-08-29 05:00:00 | Still dont know of anything that beats Lucigate | Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 381046 | 2005-10-03 06:22:00 | I have an iphantom and want to let you guys know especially Julie that they are NOT the same. The stingray is just a firewall with a anti-virus download. You get the same "hides you id" from the internet with any standard firewall like netgear. Since most routers have built in firewalls, most of us already have protection that is the same as Stingray. Save your money and just download a anti-virus. THE iphantom provides the firewall but thats not what they are selling, the safety comes from the fact that they are giving you bi-directional AES encryption that truely hides you "identity" as you ip cannot be traced back to you. The antivirus is done at the gateway just like most of our work offices do. The same goes for the spyware, adware. The Stingray is your typical firewall that gives you an ip that is still traced back to you and you home. I spent alot of time comparing the two and the Stingray is not even in the same class. Call up the guys at iphantom, they are great and if you get the tech staff, very helpfull.. | jdean90241 (8719) | ||
| 381047 | 2006-02-01 10:47:00 | Thank you djean for your enlightening comments. I would never in a hundred years claim that iphantom is the same as Stingray. They are two different animals. Iphantom is essentially a paid subscription service where you first purchase a VPN type of device then pay monthly to keep that device active through a central server that filters all traffic on your behalf. If you are fine with trusting ALL personal that have access to this central server, all routers and other 3rd party hardware that allows you to communicate with this server, plus keeping your Internet session continually open to maintain this service then you are a more brave person than I. Remember, this type of architecture is only as strong as its weakest link. If this remote administration was SO effective, do you NOT think that your ISP would have adopted and presented this service to you? Afterall, who would not like to make residual income? I, myself, would like to keep my information protected at the source, my computer. Stingray allows you to do this. Plus, it is ONE TIME buy. Remember, privacy is just as important as security. In addition, I also saw that Stingray was the ONLY security device recommended by WIRED Magazine for x-mas 2005. Impressive! :thumbs: | Julie (8718) | ||
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