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Thread ID: 60840	2005-08-14 23:44:00	Who are you gonna vote for?? (Govt Election)	rmcb (164)	PC World Chat

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381351	2005-08-31 03:10:00	You're a bit of a dag Cic. I presume that you mean you take it that this "Labour" government is socialist? As I inferred in another thread somewhere, Harold Wilson and his predecessors going back to Keir Hardie would turn in their graves to be told this was a socialist government. They would be nationalising the means of production and distribution, and all kinds of horrible socialist sorts of things. Gosh, just remember when the top rate of tax after the war was over 90%, just 6d in the pound was retained, that was why British film stars like David Niven and all, fled to the States. This government is positively to the right of any Conservative one excluding Thatcher, that I had experience of in the UK. But then being a Pom, I'm sure you really know that. :) Ha ha,there are degrees of socialism Terr. In the present climate Wilson's socialism would not be tolerated,we know that. To me a socialist is one who knows better than we do,what to do with our money. It is thought that we on the right don't care about those that fall on hard times,that is not true,who knows we might one day require a hand up. A friend of mine has taken it upon himself to replant native trees up a river north of Wellington,they sent some unemployed people to help him,he found that most of the time they would stand around and do nothing,so he asked the supervisor to have a word,the result they didn't come back,when he asked why,he was told he complained to much.My point is,it's in the thinking ,we owe them a living.The likes of Clarke,Anderton and co,like these people,they vote for them and allow them to keep there noses in the trough.	Cicero (40)
381352	2005-08-31 03:18:00	I meant to imply, not infer, that is what the crossword compilers get wrong every time! I was in Hatchards ,Piccadilly,when this little chap walked by,it was our Harrold.So I have never voted labour since,or b4 for that matter. :lol:	Cicero (40)
381353	2005-08-31 03:55:00	....To me a socialist is one who knows better than we do,what to do with our money.... Oh. I really like that, really I do, :) Reminds me of Ruth Richardson taking away the money I was entitled to from my Government Superannuation Fund pension :rolleyes: She thought she knew better than me about what to do with my money, ergo she was the archetypal socialist? It probably went to fund the 'Winebox' tax scams and Fay-Richwhite. Where are those two now? Living it up overseas having made a bomb out of Telecom shares? Oh the irony :) :rolleyes:	Terry Porritt (14)
381354	2005-08-31 05:45:00	Oh . I really like that, really I do, :) Reminds me of Ruth Richardson taking away the money I was entitled to from my Government Superannuation Fund pension :rolleyes: She thought she knew better than me about what to do with my money, ergo she was the archetypal socialist? It probably went to fund the 'Winebox' tax scams and Fay-Richwhite . Where are those two now? Living it up overseas having made a bomb out of Telecom shares? Oh the irony :) :rolleyes: Right wing doesn't mean you should get away with thievery in fact as you have seen with that mob in USA they are going to prison . Now in your ultimate socialist regime(USSR) it was the done thing . Just remember Churchills quote . . . "Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others . "	Cicero (40)
381355	2005-08-31 10:30:00	I found it quite amusing and mildly sickening how the media and Maori party candidates are portraying Dr Brash as a racist and even so far as comparing him to Hanson and Hitler LOL! This seems to be a large indication of the Labour party's influence over these entities.... National seems to be the only party with enough guts to say what the majority of New Zealanders are thinking. I fully agree. We are one country and everyone should be treated equally. Personally I would be insulted it people kept giving me special treatment because of my race. The treaty is a founding document of New Zealand, but it isn't the only founding document, and it is currently holding the country back. I think a vote for National is a step towards a society governed by the wealthy for the wealthy and not a society governed by the people, for the people. Just look at the U.S.A. Do we want that? I don't know what gives you that impression. National's cut taxes are for all income brackets and very wealthy people (those earning $100,000+) will have most of their income taxed at the same rate ie. a smaller percentage in savings. :)	bob05 (8721)
381356	2005-09-01 00:38:00	Viewing National's outline of fundamentals, I would have thought that this would be the party for me, and viewing the same for Labour, I cannot imagine that I would vote for the socialist ideology . But here I am going to vote Labour because Helen Clark seems strong in her defence of New Zealand's identity and independence, while Brash seems to lean towards the best idea at the time, without thinking things through . I know that I am not explaining myself well, but I need to better analyse what it is that I have against Brash & National .	teszeract (8723)
381357	2005-09-01 02:03:00	Let's analyse the main Parties; Labour, National, NZ First, and the Greens. Labour Leader: Helen Clark, is a strong leader and does believe what she and her team is doing is good for Country. However, as she is a career politician and has not worked in a private company in any significant way, she can not truely appreciate what it is to be a "worker". As the head of the "Workers" party, I would have thought this should be a condition to getting the job. Party: I am concerned about the agenda and influence held by people behind the scenes (e.g. Simpson, the leaders Chief of staff). Most of the rest of the party look down to us. They assume that they know what is best for us. National Leader: Don Brash, is a political novice and it shows in debates, etc. However, as a long time manager, he knows what it takes to make decisions. This will be his strong area. He will be decisive on issues. Party: While there is concern about a right-wing agenda to their policies, Most policies issued seems very reasonable and thought out. The rest of the paty do not talk down to us. NZ First Leader: Winston Peters, does have experience in politics and his membership of any coalition will help that. He does raise issues be believes affects NZ. Party: The Party name says it all. Greens: Leader: They share it. No decisiveness expected here. Party: A good policy re the environment. The rest of their policies would need work. I will be voting National. The upto $100 per week I will get will go a long way to meeting the increased petrol costs coming our way.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
381358	2005-09-01 02:34:00	Just remember Churchills quote..."Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others." UUrrk. :waughh: Not quite Tom. Here is the correct quote - "Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." As for National being right wing - that is laughable. New Zealand has a social democrat political system, similar to most European countries. On any analysis, National and Labour are both mild left-wing parties. The only difference is the degree of state intervention each believes in. Funded by the citizens money.	Winston001 (3612)
381359	2005-09-01 03:59:00	UUrrk. :waughh: Not quite Tom. Here is the correct quote - "Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." As for National being right wing - that is laughable. New Zealand has a social democrat political system, similar to most European countries. On any analysis, National and Labour are both mild left-wing parties. The only difference is the degree of state intervention each believes in. Funded by the citizens money. I have said it was a matter of degree,both right and left. Those with a philosphy in National,I would say are right of centre,but they can only say what want we want to hear.	Cicero (40)
381360	2005-09-01 06:53:00	Let's analyse the main Parties; Labour, National, NZ First, and the Greens . Labour Leader: Helen Clark, is a strong leader and does believe what she and her team is doing is good for Country . However, as she is a career politician and has not worked in a private company in any significant way, she can not truely appreciate what it is to be a "worker" . As the head of the "Workers" party, I would have thought this should be a condition to getting the job . Party: I am concerned about the agenda and influence held by people behind the scenes (e . g . Simpson, the leaders Chief of staff) . Most of the rest of the party look down to us . They assume that they know what is best for us . National Leader: Don Brash, is a political novice and it shows in debates, etc . However, as a long time manager, he knows what it takes to make decisions . This will be his strong area . He will be decisive on issues . Party: While there is concern about a right-wing agenda to their policies, Most policies issued seems very reasonable and thought out . The rest of the paty do not talk down to us . NZ First Leader: Winston Peters, does have experience in politics and his membership of any coalition will help that . He does raise issues be believes affects NZ . Party: The Party name says it all . Greens: Leader: They share it . No decisiveness expected here . Party: A good policy re the environment . The rest of their policies would need work . I will be voting National . The upto $100 per week I will get will go a long way to meeting the increased petrol costs coming our way . That's a good summary KiwiTT_NZ :thumbs: But here I am going to vote Labour because Helen Clark seems strong in her defence of New Zealand's identity and independence, while Brash seems to lean towards the best idea at the time, without thinking things through . I agree that Helen Clark appears very definite in what she believes is right for the country . However, I think Don Brash is equally certain but he doesn't have the experience in politics to make sure this is conveyed all the time . In my opinion it is a refreshing change to see someone who is upfront about things instead of people like Helen Clark who answers different questions to those asked if she doesn't like where the interview is going . I think this tricks a lot of people into thinking that she has an answer for everything, when she doesn't . If you watched Face to Face last night or any other election coverage you will know what I mean . :p Remember that the leader isn't the only person in the party . There is no sense in voting for one person because they seem authoritative when the people behind them don't have a clue what they are doing . :)	bob05 (8721)
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