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| Thread ID: 60840 | 2005-08-14 23:44:00 | Who are you gonna vote for?? (Govt Election) | rmcb (164) | PC World Chat |
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| 381271 | 2005-08-20 09:05:00 | Picky, picky . LAbour using our money to help . . . blah blah . Yes but there is a fundamental concept here . Governments do not have any money . What they spend must firstly be taken from you and I . Basically most people agree that we should all pay tax to allow government to provide roads, police, education, basic healthcare and defence . The arguments are about how much tax should be taken, and what extras it should be spent on . We all disagree widely on these matters, which is healthy if frustrating . The tax rebates to families sounds very nice - unless you are single on a low wage because there are no breaks for you . Instead you pay the full whack to help your neighbour on $60,000 to run two cars, Sky TV, and a more expensive house . And 3 children . More fundamentally, government is saying that our economy isn't productive enough to pay decent wages so we'll dip into single peoples income to help out . Instead our leaders should focus on long-term economic growth rather than cynically buying votes . |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 381272 | 2005-08-20 09:18:00 | Yes but there is a fundamental concept here . Governments do not have any money . What they spend must firstly be taken from you and I . Basically most people agree that we should all pay tax to allow government to provide roads, police, education, basic healthcare and defence . The arguments are about how much tax should be taken, and what extras it should be spent on . We all disagree widely on these matters, which is healthy if frustrating . The tax rebates to families sounds very nice - unless you are single on a low wage because there are no breaks for you . Instead you pay the full whack to help your neighbour on $60,000 to run two cars, Sky TV, and a more expensive house . And 3 children . More fundamentally, government is saying that our economy isn't productive enough to pay decent wages so we'll dip into single peoples income to help out . Instead our leaders should focus on long-term economic growth rather than cynically buying votes . I think that be you and me 001 . :) For the rest,it was well put as usual . |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 381273 | 2005-08-20 09:21:00 | More likely Mrs Metla would beat me black and blue, then send me back to work (me thinks the lack of food,heating,petrol,housing,clothing would affect her well before i noticed) In that case do come up with a better plan next time.For a minute there I was thinking of giving it a go. :) |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 381274 | 2005-08-20 15:06:00 | Thanks, rubberducky, for your post providing the Act source of the "smear campaign" against Jeannette Fitsimons about her windfarm shares. I'm not a Greens voter, but have observed her genuinely-held beliefs since she was a young woman in the 70s. It was the Values Party then. She's been clean as clean... (That's why I asked pctek the source of her information. I found it so unlikely Jeanette Fitsimons had a purely commercial agenda that I assumed it was merely gossip) So now we learn she's had the shares since 1999. Surprise, surprise! Obviously, if you believe in something, you invest to help it happen. I might've done the same then, if offered the chance. The fact that she chaired a committee looking at the Waitaki prospects for hydro electricity for Meridian Energy versus farmers' irrigation wishes /versus local occupants's wishes /versus fishermen's wishes seems to be the sticking point. Well, I can assure you northerners that there was quite enough opposition donw here for any North Island committee to accept. Jeannette Fitsimons & the Green Party didn't count at all, We had quite enough locals to advise on what should happen to what remains of our beautiful Waitaki River. It may be difficult to accept from West Auckland, but having already multi-dammed the Clutha & the Waitaki to send electricity to you in the North Island, the worms do finally turn. Perhaps you could displace/stuff up people on the Waikato or Wanganui to deal with your power power problems instead of expecting it'll keep coming from South Island rivers most of you have never seen. |
Laura (43) | ||
| 381275 | 2005-08-20 21:58:00 | In all previous elections I have voted Labour, and more recently the odd vote for the Greens. But this time I will not vote Green due to their 'promotion' of a drug that screws up people and society (marijuana), and I am reluctant to support Labour because: 1. Of what Trevor Mallard has done to education; 2. Giving the whinging militant Maoris way too much; 3. Giving golden handshakes when they said they would definitely not do so; 4. Political correctness to an absurd degree. 5. The inability of Labour to even consider improving relations with the American military - no, I do not mean the necessity of allowing nuclear ships in our harbours, but not to even want to look at improving ANZUS just does not sit well with me. National has had a bitter taste with me for decades, especially since the Muldoon era. Now though, I think we need a change. So if anyone has good ideas why I should stay with Labour and not go National, give it to me. Thanks. Oh yeah, a final comment that may surprise anyone reading thus far: I actually think Labour *deserves* to win. What? Well, because of the way they have very cleverly bought the student vote (the student loans) and the family vote (huge tax breaks). This does of course stink of political manipulation, of buying votes right before the election, but it is crafty politicking for sure. Why the Nats could not dream up this, I do not know. Like it or not, politics is about tricks lies and getting away with as much as possible... and on this topic, Helen and all of Labour comes out on top. |
Strommer (42) | ||
| 381276 | 2005-08-20 22:11:00 | Strange reasoning there Steve,you would vote in he who is best at tricking us. It's no wonder Labour gets in with people whoe vote who are strangers to logic. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 381277 | 2005-08-20 23:13:00 | Strange reasoning there Steve,you would vote in he who is best at tricking us. It's no wonder Labour gets in with people whoe vote who are strangers to logic. My point was missed. Read again, Cicero. I did not say I would vote for Labour because of their tricks - quite the opposite - but that they deserve to win. I thought the sarcasm was evident. Putting it another way, Labour's tricky marketing will probably be effective and they will get back in. You get the "logic" now? :rolleyes: |
Strommer (42) | ||
| 381278 | 2005-08-20 23:49:00 | In all previous elections I have voted Labour, and more recently the odd vote for the Greens. But this time I will not vote Green due to their 'promotion' of a drug that screws up people and society (marijuana), and I am reluctant to support Labour because: 1. Of what Trevor Mallard has done to education; 2. Giving the whinging militant Maoris way too much; 3. Giving golden handshakes when they said they would definitely not do so; 4. Political correctness to an absurd degree. 5. The inability of Labour to even consider improving relations with the American military - no, I do not mean the necessity of allowing nuclear ships in our harbours, but not to even want to look at improving ANZUS just does not sit well with me. National has had a bitter taste with me for decades, especially since the Muldoon era. Now though, I think we need a change. So if anyone has good ideas why I should stay with Labour and not go National, give it to me. Thanks. Oh yeah, a final comment that may surprise anyone reading thus far: I actually think Labour *deserves* to win. What? Well, because of the way they have very cleverly bought the student vote (the student loans) and the family vote (huge tax breaks). This does of course stink of political manipulation, of buying votes right before the election, but it is crafty politicking for sure. Why the Nats could not dream up this, I do not know. Like it or not, politics is about tricks lies and getting away with as much as possible... and on this topic, Helen and all of Labour comes out on top.These small parties can promise the earth, because they know full well they are not going to get in, even in a coalition party the major party would never give in to there out there idea's.. New Zealand military is just about to start training with the yanks again according to the news, Most election promises labour has pledged in prior election's they have gone through with (paid maternity, 4 weeks anual leave), some of these haven't started yet but are a sure thing, To vote another party in, would posibly mean the end to these I have mentioned, and they do not effect me either,( already have children,already have the 4 weeks), Am I looking forward to the tax refunds for having children hell yes, just as my parents did when I was a child, I also see this policy as a incentive for solo parents to get a job and off the benifit and also keep familys together, why? When I first had children my partner was better off leaving me and going on the dpb and me going on the dole. As for politicians from the different parties calling each other's policies election bribes, they are 100% correct, that's what electionaring is all about, who can dangle the biggest carrot that will please the majority of the people... |
plod (107) | ||
| 381279 | 2005-08-21 00:12:00 | My point was missed. Read again, Cicero. I did not say I would vote for Labour because of their tricks - quite the opposite - but that they deserve to win. I thought the sarcasm was evident. Putting it another way, Labour's tricky marketing will probably be effective and they will get back in. You get the "logic" now? :rolleyes: The point wasn't missed,you said they deserved to get in,I tend to vote for those that deserve my vote,by virtue of them saying the right thing,not what I want to hear. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 381280 | 2005-08-21 01:45:00 | This chap puts it well. www.nzherald.co.nz |
Cicero (40) | ||
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