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| Thread ID: 60960 | 2005-08-19 23:19:00 | I can not believe these shocking objects | ERR (8231) | PC World Chat |
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| 382372 | 2005-08-21 02:35:00 | This all getting rather silly. In reply to ERR who seems a bit emotional as GF says, firstly his initial post did not mention the Herald in connection with any article about electrical regulations, only the Jaycar advert. Secondly I dont buy or read the Herald, neither do lots of other people, and the issue is too trivial for me to actually go and look up a back edition. Then again, being cynical you can't believe everything one reads in the papers :) What I mean about referencing documentation is like this: New Zealand Electrical Code of Practice for Electrical Safety, NZEC 3:2000 www.ess.govt.nz The relevant clauses for toys are 2.8.4 and 2.8.5, "2.8.4 The rated voltage of any electric toy shall not exceed 24 volts a.c. or 32 volts d.c. The rating of any electric toy shall not exceed 200 VA. The input current of any electric toy shall not exceed 10 amps. 2.8.5 Electric toys shall be operated from a battery or from the secondary side of an isolating transformer. The isolating transformer shall comply with an official electrical safety standard relating to transformers for use with electrically operated toys." That wasn't difficult was it? There may well be other standards governing voltage and current output as indicated by GF. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 382373 | 2005-08-21 04:25:00 | I think Dangerous Dave's "Taser" built from a disposable camera would come into the "toy" category. The real ones are charged to about 50kV, which has aroused some comment in New Scientist (like "50000 volt jolt"). A letter in this month's Electronics World suggests that although this implies a peak current of about 5A, most of the volts would be lost going through clothing etc, and the peak current would (should?) be considerably less than 50mA (to avoid serious effects). Given an assumed body resistance of 10k, this would amount to a 500 V jolt. Most people would notice the effects. Most who have worked with "real" (with valves) electronics will have committed (or experienced) the trick of leaving a charged capacitor on a workbench. Those who think their eyes are in their fingertips soon learn about 250V and 0.1 microfarads. ;) Some big electric fence units have 50 joules or more stored energy. I always regarded transmitters with 100J stored energy as being worthy of respect. |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 382374 | 2005-08-21 07:57:00 | New Zealand Electrical Code of Practice for Electrical Safety, NZEC 3:2000 This ECP 3 has been replaced by AS/NZS 4417 from memory, under the "Wiring Rules" AS/NZS 3000:2000. |
godfather (25) | ||
| 382375 | 2005-08-21 08:19:00 | Unless you have a mind of a child, you don't need relevant proof it is just common sense and courtesy Could you please provide relevant proof of the state of illegalness of electric shocking people. |
ERR (8231) | ||
| 382376 | 2005-08-21 12:41:00 | Unless you have a mind of a child, you don't need relevant proof it is just common sense and courtesyERR, to electricute someone is a bastard of a thing to do, however it is not illegal to act as a bastard. There are many nasty things that people can do to each other that "common sense and courtesy" say we shouldn't do, but are perfectly legal, and are done in this world. I dont know if zapping each other is legal or not, but i do know that it's a bloody silly thing to do. :D |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 382377 | 2005-08-21 12:55:00 | Unless you have a mind of a child, you don't need relevant proof it is just common sense and courtesy Common sense and courtesy means that it is not POLITE to do something. It has nothing to do with it being ILLEGAL. It's common sense and courtesy not to talk with my mouth full, if I do talk with my mouth full it's not ILLEGAL. If you really have such a large issue with things, why don't you contact the relevant authorities and get the products recalled. From what you have been saying, a lot of doctors have SAVED lives by using the ILLEGAL practice of giving someone an electric shock. Most airports should be closed down as well, I don't think I've ever been in an airport without getting an electric shock at some stage. |
Jeremy (1197) | ||
| 382378 | 2005-08-21 19:37:00 | This ECP 3 has been replaced by AS/NZS 4417 from memory, under the "Wiring Rules" AS/NZS 3000:2000. Well I never. |
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