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Thread ID: 142880	2016-09-30 19:11:00	Winows 10 update	B.M. (505)	Press F1

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1426721	2016-10-02 07:56:00	The speed in your area -- Maybe you are paying for something you are not getting.. If you are only able to get 25 Maximum then any plan above 30 would be a complete waste of money. Correct, the only saving grace is the connection was free, the monthly charge the same and the speeds no worse than ADSL. Man you really have a hate against MS. :groan: Yep, I'm filthy on them. Going by your theory, using Linux should top out your download speed. Not so, you can only go as fast as your ISP will let you. So a Simple question: Posted was a link that was meant to be giving problems. Mine on W10, using what ever browser requested works fine -- WHY ?? Not so either. Posted was a Link that I wanted tested to make sure it was actually my Computer that was the problem. Most people don't have a clue as to how the internet actually works and always blame everything apart from the actual real cause. That is exactly what I'm trying to do. Find the actual real cause.	B.M. (505)
1426722	2016-10-02 08:35:00	Correct, the only saving grace is the connection was free, the monthly charge the same and the speeds no worse than ADSL. That sounds like a claytons deal. Only people winning with that would be the ISP. Re MS: Yep, I'm filthy on them. So stop mucking about, wipe the W10 and install Linux, OR stop complaining. Posted was a Link that I wanted tested to make sure it was actually my Computer that was the problem That is exactly what I'm trying to do. Find the actual real cause. You may very well find that if your computer was someplace else, it would work perfectly ( an NO I'm NOT offering) Seen it plenty of times that something may be causing a problem that unless its isolated wouldn't be found. Had it happen, persons computer doing weird things, bring the computer back here - no Problems, take it back and it plays up. Its then that experience comes into play and you work through all the possible causes, as you know its not the computer. Had this happen only last week, the person has 5 computers/laptops, one was intermittently dropping the internet wasn't till I went through fault finding the actual problem was a faulty RJ45 Plug on the Ethernet cable ( it looked fine), Had to run it Via cable testing equipment to find it, cut the old plug off, wired in a new one and away it went.	wainuitech (129)
1426723	2016-10-02 20:32:00	That sounds like a claytons deal . Only people winning with that would be the ISP . Exactly . So stop mucking about, wipe the W10 and install Linux, OR stop complaining . You mean take the Cowards way out . I don’t think so . I paid for Win 10 by way of purchasing a Laptop with Win 8 on which had to be fixed with win 8 . 1 which in turn had to be fixed by Win 10 . Win 10 was working fine until Microsoft updated it and took it upon themselves to install a lot of Crap that I’d gone to a lot of trouble not to install at the initial installation . You may very well find that if your computer was someplace else, it would work perfectly ( an NO I'm NOT offering) Seen it plenty of times that something may be causing a problem that unless its isolated wouldn't be found . The computer was in exactly the same place as it has always worked from when I’m in residence . There wasn’t a problem before the Update/Re-installation or whatever they did . And the bit that really annoys me is I had no control or options because Microsoft have technically stolen my computer and will do what they like with it . But then I guess everything looks different through Microsoft adjusted glasses . :D	B.M. (505)
1426724	2016-10-02 21:09:00	And the bit that really annoys me is I had no control or options because Microsoft have technically stolen my computer and will do what they like with it . Technically speaking they have not, unless someone has walked into your house and physically picked it up and walked out with it . If you removed Windows and installed Linux, the computer would still be the same piece of hardware, still sit on your desk or where ever it is, just have a different OS installed . You NEVER did own the Operating system, when you clicked "I Agree / I Accept" when installing, even back in W8 says you are only licenced to use the software and agreeing to all the terms stated under that agreement . Now you'll say its all lawyer talk, but if you didn't accept it wouldn't carry on . Saying no one ever reads that, may be true, but that wouldn't stand up in court . Its your choice not to read it . Section 2a License . The software is licensed, not sold . Under this agreement, we grant you the right to install and run one instance of the software on your device (the licensed device), for use by one person at a time, so long as you comply with all the terms of this agreement . Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the software . Relating to Updates: Section 6 Updates . The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you . You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates . By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice . Look it up and read it, its on your very own computer, only a couple of clicks away . :) re the other problems -- Whose to say you don't have some piece of software on the Computer that's causing a problem ?? Just got dropped a computer earlier this morning, crashing after the update, took one look at it in safe mode and seen the problem in about 5 minutes, nothing to do with W10 updates . ;) You can say all you like about it being Windows (it may well be corrupted), but I can tell you, you never assume what's the problem, seen it hundreds of times, often the problem is not what you first think . But then I guess everything looks different through Microsoft adjusted glasses No nothing of the sort . I notice you say you want nothing to do with Microsoft and going to get rid of it, then in the next breath say you are not . Seems to me you don't really know what you want . If you say you're going to do something then do it, other wise its all blowing hot air .	wainuitech (129)
1426725	2016-10-02 22:02:00	Are you testing speed with wifi? Have you tried using ethernet? If not, would recommend that you do. With ethernet cable you should be getting at least 94Mbps down. If not, you need to get your ISP (who is it?) onto it. Can't see how such a low speed is an area UFB thing. Just not logical.	linw (53)
1426726	2016-10-02 22:28:00	Exactly . You mean take the Cowards way out . I don’t think so . I paid for Win 10 by way of purchasing a Laptop with Win 8 on which had to be fixed with win 8 . 1 which in turn had to be fixed by Win 10 . The 'issues' and complaints re Win8 were well known at the time The complaints(real & not) with 10 were also well known in advance Dont like 8,10 etc . Go back to Win7 . Simple . I would never have left Win95 if I could get everything(hardware/software) to work on it . :)	1101 (13337)
1426727	2016-10-03 00:10:00	@ Wainui Relating to Updates: Section 6 There’s been an amendment . Updates . The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you . You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates . By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice and extend to Microsoft the rights to enter your dwelling and inhabit it as seen fit . re the other problems -- Whose to say you don't have some piece of software on the Computer that's causing a problem ?? Just got dropped a computer earlier this morning, crashing after the update, took one look at it in safe mode and seen the problem in about 5 minutes, nothing to do with W10 updates . Odd that, I too thought I’d better make sure and thought I’d run Zemana that you recommended in another post . Wouldn’t you know it, it's gone without trace just like Ccleaner . :rolleyes: However, Malware Bytes is still there and running at the moment . I’d be surprised if something got a ride in with the Windows Update but you never know so I’ll check .	B.M. (505)
1426728	2016-10-03 00:20:00	The 'issues' and complaints re Win8 were well known at the time The complaints(real & not) with 10 were also well known in advance Dont like 8,10 etc . Go back to Win7 . Simple . I would never have left Win95 if I could get everything(hardware/software) to work on it . :) I would go back to Win 7 if I could but this Laptop was purchased new with Win 8 installed and Win 7 is no longer available . Yes, Win95 was good in its day but Hardware became an issue in the end . I'm still in awe of what could be done with 640k of RAM and a 20Mb HDD . :)	B.M. (505)
1426729	2016-10-03 00:36:00	Are you testing speed with wifi? Have you tried using ethernet? If not, would recommend that you do . With ethernet cable you should be getting at least 94Mbps down . If not, you need to get your ISP (who is it?) onto it . Can't see how such a low speed is an area UFB thing . Just not logical . There is another Thread on my "Ultra Slow Fiber" which was well canvased, but the word on the street is that they've rolled out more Fibre than the rest of the infrastructure can handle at the moment, but naturally the ISP's won't admit to that . :D The word is it will mysteriously come right, all on its own . ;)	B.M. (505)
1426730	2016-10-03 00:45:00	@ Wainui There’s been an amendment. Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice and extend to Microsoft the rights to enter your dwelling and inhabit it as seen fit. Odd that, I too thought I’d better make sure and thought I’d run Zemana that you recommended in another post. Wouldn’t you know it, it's gone without trace just like Ccleaner. :rolleyes: However, Malware Bytes is still there and running at the moment. I’d be surprised if something got a ride in with the Windows Update but you never know so I’ll check. Yeah OK have a joke :rolleyes: The problem I was talking about from earlier, nothing to do with Windows (not directly anyway). As per usual its not till a few questions are asked you get the full story, bit like your UFB and the way the plan was offered, that wasn't mentioned at first, but can have a huge effect on the outcome. Anyway, this PC seems its been slow off and on for the last month, just so happened it decided to really play up after a upgrade (not surprised) -- main reason, bad sectors on the drive, according to the disk checker its in the red which means backup and change it NOW before you lose the lot. Have changed the drive, reinstalled windows (as the original was missing to much to clone/image) Run all the updates and it really flies. Just putting back the data and programs. Cant blame windows for a HDD failing ;) I highly suspect, its not any sort of malware on your PC. Bet if you saved all your data, wiped the drive clean, installed W10 from fresh, ran all the updates, change the settings you know about, it would run fine. Anyone who services PC's or been around long enough knows a fresh install is always better than a upgrade, and since yours has been upgraded multi times heaven knows what sort of damage/corruptions have been dragged along and possibly causing problems.	wainuitech (129)
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