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1426208	2016-09-21 01:29:00	... if you don't like Windows then don't use it -- no ones really going to care, just don't complain when the Current OS ( Linux) goes belly up and no ones able to help sort it. Yes, it's true that Linux isn't perfect ... nothing is. But I think you're being rather harsh regarding support for the major versions (distros) of Linux. Mint is the most popular distro currently (according to There is a very large forum for Mint here: https://forums.linuxmint.com/" target="_blank">distrowatch.com/) and has been for some years now. There is a very large forum for Mint here: https: Hardly one or two people support there. I prefer Kubuntu myself ... Mint and Kubuntu are both based on Ubuntu which has an enormous user base and forum: ubuntuforums.org/ and my own Kubuntu forum is one of the most helpful and friendly forums available: https: and is where I mostly hang out myself. While it is true that there are a great number of small distros (some run by only a handful of people) support might be an issue there eventually, with the bigger distros support is not going to be a problem if you look for it. The great thing about Linux is that you have choices.	Rod J (451)
1426209	2016-09-21 01:58:00	Yes, it's true that Linux isn't perfect . . . nothing is . But I think you're being rather harsh regarding support for the major versions (distros) of Linux . Mint is the most popular distro currently (according to . com/) and has been for some years now . There is a very large forum for Mint here: https://forums . linuxmint . com/" target="_blank">distrowatch . com/) and has been for some years now . There is a very large forum for Mint here: https: Hardly one or two people support there . I prefer Kubuntu myself . . . Mint and Kubuntu are both based on Ubuntu which has an enormous user base and forum: . org/ and my own Kubuntu forum is one of the most helpful and friendly forums available: https://www . kubuntuforums . net/forum . php" target="_blank">ubuntuforums . org/ and my own Kubuntu forum is one of the most helpful and friendly forums available: https: and is where I mostly hang out myself . While it is true that there are a great number of small distros (some run by only a handful of people) support might be an issue there eventually, with the bigger distros support is not going to be a problem if you look for it . The great thing about Linux is that you have choices . Disagree sorry, unless things have changed rapidly in the last 9 months . Several times and on several forums when I was having problems with Ubuntu Server I asked what should be a simple question relating to networking and file sharing for anyone who knew what they were doing on Linux servers, after roughly 3 weeks of getting nothing but BS completely wrong answers that didn't work, and when wanting more info, no responses, OR (and this is the worst one) Many Linux users on forums expect you to have a great knowledge of Linux to start with, many people don't . Some of the answers were completely useless, for example one reply like "that's easy to setup" - Well how -- I'm asking because I don't know ? = No response . In the end gave up and installed a windows based server, and anything I didn't know got the answers from Microsoft quickly . Really a good example is the Post B . M made about Linux, You Rod are really the only one apart from a couple of other comments from others that has supplied working answers to B . M's problems, because of the skill and knowledge and willing to help-- What would happen if you couldn't be here ? . Your last line The great thing about Linux is that you have choices . and that's a problem to someone who has to learn, not enough help available . If the OS is too customizable, then people can alter to suit, if they disappear you're buggered . Had that happen several years ago, a small company had Linux Servers, their IT guy left after throwing a wobbly but not before locking the whole system out, I was told they even had other experienced Linux IT people couldn't bypass the restrictions, only solution was to start again .	wainuitech (129)
1426210	2016-09-21 02:20:00	Disagree sorry, unless things have changed rapidly in the last 9 months . Several times and on several forums when I was having problems with Ubuntu Server I asked what should be a simple question relating to networking and file sharing for anyone who knew what they were doing on Linux servers, after roughly 3 weeks of getting nothing but BS completely wrong answers that didn't work, and when wanting more info, no responses, OR (and this is the worst one) Many Linux users on forums expect you to have a great knowledge of Linux to start with, many people don't . Had that happen several years ago, a small company had Linux Servers, their IT guy left after throwing a wobbly but not before locking the whole system out, I was told they even had other experienced Linux IT people couldn't bypass the restrictions, only solution was to start again . To be fair, you apply both these complaints to Win Forums & win servers That IT guy could have done the same in Win , locked out a Win based server . And same issue with (some) windows server forums, no real answers found , despite several on the same thread looking for a fix . Im sure if you posted a basic share question on Win server forums you wouldnt allways get good resposnses :)	1101 (13337)
1426211	2016-09-21 02:33:00	Many Linux users on forums expect you to have a great knowledge of Linux to start with, many people don't . Some of the answers were completely useless, for example one reply like "that's easy to setup" - Well how -- I'm asking because I don't know ? = No response . It is true unfortunately that there are some Linux forums that are very 'elitist' (Arch Linux forum, for example, a recent thread on Kubuntu Forums about Arch Forums: I really hate the Arch forums ( . kubuntuforums . net/showthread . php?69924-I-really-hate-the-arch-forums&highlight=Arch+forums" target="_blank">www . kubuntuforums . net)) Really a good example is the Post B . M made about Linux, You Rod are really the only one apart from a couple of other comments from others that has supplied working answers to B . M's problems, because of the skill and knowledge and willing to help-- What would happen if you couldn't be here ? . Well, the obvious answer would be to look for help on the Mint forum . . . it's not like Pressf1 is the only place to find PC help .	Rod J (451)
1426212	2016-09-21 02:57:00	Geee Wainui you allegiance to Windows, and especially Win 10, seems completely contradicted by your signature. 7461 Might pay to change it before you're accused of running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. :D	B.M. (505)
1426213	2016-09-21 02:59:00	Dunno about server versions but in the normal desktop OS world Linux is still a very minor player even if you lump all versions in together it doesn't come remotely close to the number of users of windows 7, 8, or 10 That's not a judgement on Linux, it's just a simple fact. Because of that there are a lot more people in the world with the experience to help with windows problems, and a great deal more chance someone else has already had the same problem and found a solution. I like linux and I congratulate anyone who has made the effort to switch to it completely and I know there are a lot of helpful users out there if you look for them but I still don't think it's the right OS for most average home users. I am no PC genius but I've been building them and working on them and installing operating systems since about 1990, have dabbled in programming, have mastered some of the trickier points of DOS (and forgotten most of it) and have attempted to use Linux on a secondary machine many times over the last decade. It's never worked out and I've always reverted to windows after some specific task I wanted turned out to be nearly impossible to achieve on Linux while being very simple on windows. Most recently for example I wanted to make a media PC for the bedroom and set a few simple goals to declare it a success. All of these can easily be achieved on windows without much effort and never a command line in sight. The Good 1. play shared files over the network from my NAS - easy - Linux was very good at that and simple to set up 2. Youtube - worked with the basic distro no work needed 3. Netflix - caused some hassles but works if you install Chrome and use that 4. DVD playback - fairly simple using VLC and installing a couple things but not officially supported. The Bad 5. Blu-Ray playback - Couldn't get it to and so gave up after a few attempts over a couple of weeks - Fail 6. Lightbox - requires silverlight which is not supported on Linux, installed and configure pipelight which is supposed to do the same job but couldn't get anything to play - Fail So while it may theoretically be possible to do 5 and 6 on Linux it's beyond my patience to find, if you only wanted the first 4 things Linux is fine, for all 6 you are far better off with Windows. This has been my experience every time, Linux is great for most tasks but every now and again you come across something you just can't get it to do that you know you could get working in a few minutes on windows. Then you start looking for solutions and end up typing a novel into the command line and watching arcane error messages appear. A lot of course depends on what you require from your PC, many people would manage ok with just the basic MINT installation.	dugimodo (138)
1426214	2016-09-21 03:16:00	Dead right if the seat covers are the feature of the whole car. :D Some would look at my old car & say the new seat covers are the only part of it worth having . They are certainly a new feature in my car :-) There are more flavours of linux than there are types & models of cars on the road. Some would call that a choice, for Lin isnt it part of the problem : far too many versions ?	1101 (13337)
1426215	2016-09-21 03:18:00	To be fair, you apply both these complaints to Win Forums & win servers That IT guy could have done the same in Win , locked out a Win based server . And same issue with (some) windows server forums, no real answers found , despite several on the same thread looking for a fix . Im sure if you posted a basic share question on Win server forums you wouldnt allways get good responses :) Thing is There's software that even the most hardened server or windows computer can be accessed, with the exception of encryption. Ever heard of Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack ? Great bit of software used it many times to bypass security, repair / rescue computers both desktop and servers. Know the feeling from Dugimodo's post have attempted to use Linux on a secondary machine many times over the last decade. It's never worked out and I've always reverted to windows after some specific task I wanted turned out to be nearly impossible to achieve on Linux while being very simple on windows.	wainuitech (129)
1426216	2016-09-21 03:25:00	Geee Wainui you allegiance to Windows, and especially Win 10, seems completely contradicted by your signature. 7461 Might pay to change it before you're accused of running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. :D That's a joke in case you didn't get it. (obviously don't get it) Hate to say it but ever since you started using Linux the comments on some windows related posts are simply rubbishing windows, trying to say Linux is better, example the first post in this thread, which is why this thread was hijacked to its current state. As for Linux -- Bet you didn't know I have 2 servers here that have been used for several years, Linux based, and work fine, I know enough about it to get them working as I want. So to assume I only use windows -- Best get the facts right first.	wainuitech (129)
1426217	2016-09-21 03:49:00	Has nobody noticed the freudian slip in the MS windows in this thread? ------------------------------ Windows is not genuine Your computer might not be running a counterfeit copy of Windows. ------------------------------ Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
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