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Thread ID: 61441	2005-09-05 03:32:00	The golf balls, sand and a professor:OT!	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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386238	2005-09-08 21:57:00	Sarel, I have no idea what you just tired to say, all the quotes are mixed up. I can't tell what text is yours, and what came from further back. -Qyiet	qyiet (6730)
386239	2005-09-08 22:39:00	I'm with Sarel here. I enjoy Michael Moore and he makes some good points. Freedom of speech allows him to do that. But accuracy is not his strong point. He very cleverly cuts and pastes interviews to present his story. And sometimes he is just plain wrong. That doesn't mean all that Michael Moore says is wrong. Indeed his point that American business is strongly connected to the White House is fair. But the Democrats also need and have massive business support, so would things be much different with a Democratic President? I think not, and so what? This is a successful capitalist nation because of the peoples ability to create businesses. I also agree with you Andrew - where are the troops in Zimbabwe, Burma etc. Well, more correctly, where are the UN troops in these countries. Basically the UN members wring their hands and debate ad infinitum but with no firm resolve. For some reason we expect the USA to always pick up the tab.	Winston001 (3612)
386240	2005-09-09 01:08:00	sorry qyiet I see that I haven't done the quotes that well - sorry - will try something else next time sarel	sarel (2490)
386241	2005-09-09 02:01:00	There is a very good column in todays Southland Times by Gwynn Dyer - of London. Unfortunately I can't find it online but imagine most INL papers will carry it. Dyer just points out the huge embarrasment of the American people at the debacle in New Orleans. By comparison, Holland, half of which is below sea-water couldn't conceive of not keeping levees up to date. Or not having effective plans for disaster. They live with the threat. Similarly after the Asian tsunami, despite some areas such as Ache being in the midst of armed revolt, everyone - guerillas and ordinary folk, joined together to save each other. Nobody fired weapons at rescue helicoptors. Yet this was the Third World. It is a good article if you see it.	Winston001 (3612)
386242	2005-09-09 04:22:00	Yeah I agree Winston - the US even identified New Orleans as a potential disaster zone if a hurricane should strike it during their strategic planning sessions and desk top emergency exercises. Having said that, I am just peeved off that there are still people there refusing to leave - if everybody left after the order to evacuate, there would have been no problems, but that in itself is a bit simplistic - I presume the Rest Home filled with bodies that were discovered was simply forgotten when they evacuated. It is just so tragic. I presume a few heads are going to roll about the N.O. debacle. Your view on things SurferJoe? sarel	sarel (2490)
386243	2005-09-09 05:03:00	sarel . . . just call me joe . . . . and I am not offended by opinions, just being called names (not by you) . . . but that's ok too . . it's free speech after all . . . anyway . . . yes, I saw the blurb this am on the way out of the house . . the part about the rest home is indeed very sad . I too guess they fell through the cracks and never even got the word about evacuation . You gotta admit that there is a mixed bag of emotions over those who refuse to leave, and those that didn't and died . . . or were sent to a collection center and just left there to rot . Justice will not bring any of the dead back to life . . that's sad . . . and cutting off the heads of those responsible for the fiasco won't bring them back either . Too bad that the person(s) responsible cannot be found guilty for each and every needless death and be punished (capitally) many times over . I am sorry for that sanguine statement . . . but I am getting really infuriated by the shuffle job on just who was responsible and wasn't . Sadly, NOTHING we can say or talk about here will matter in the long run . There are just a bunch of cold people and those who don't give a fig for someone else, and the unfortunate part is that they are in charge of our protection from such disasters . Placing faith in mankind and assuming they have pure motives and actions has always been a general let-down . To those who assume that I am trying to protect "my" government . . . that's not true . The outrage and anger that I feel is much like the most of you F-1'ers . . . . . "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN"? It's a royal screw up of the highest caliber . . . and I don't think any one person is the whole reason for this happening . There may be some smattering of a diabolical plot here though . Try this: The FEMA-types and the federal authorities might just be trying to break the privateer-ing of the individual parrishes and cultures in New Orleans, and bringing them to their knees might make them want to cower closer to a (stronger) federal government . Hmmmmmmm . . could it be that this is the way to kill individuality and independent thinking? I do NOT however think this is a racially motivated action . . or lack of action . True, this was below the Mason-Dixon Line, but the feds are colorblind . Old hates and dislikes of people of color (I am tan) are mostly dead nowadays; some pockets of KKK still exist . . . but I don't think they are in the higher echelons of the government . We also have some Hitler-Youth Kamps in New Jersey too . . but they are mostly watched very carefully and they are pretty toothless anyway . Looking for the motive here . . . this just didn't happen accidently . . . if there's a plot . . . the only question to ask is : "How did GWB hire a hurricane"? I'd rather think it was just a bunch of inept boobs running FEMA and the relief agencies that screwed up . . . not a sinister plot . . . . . . (I hope) :xmouth:	SurferJoe46 (51)
386244	2005-09-09 05:27:00	So, anyone (sarel, Joe, Winston et al.), where is the link between Saddam and 9/11? I've provided enough links for my side of the argument from reputable news sources - point me to a link or two and I'd be more than happy to read it. I don't expect the US to have to do the dirty work in other countries (such as Burma, Zim etc) but where you have a self-appointed world sheriff proclaiming he will seek out and destroy "evil and tyranny where ever it may lurk" (see previous post for quote link) - why did he start with Iraq? And why not anywhere else? This is indicative of the double-standards and oil / greed argument I presented earlier. Does anyone care to argue against that? A	andrew93 (249)
386245	2005-09-09 05:57:00	I bet the French had something to do with it . . . . like VietNam, French IndoChina, The Barbary Pirates, And Cardinal Richelou's invasion of England . I might be wrong though .	SurferJoe46 (51)
386246	2005-09-09 06:12:00	Don't worry about it, Andrew . Facts have never mattered in this . Saddam was just another (not the nastiest one ever) national leader enthusiastically (with sophisticated weapons as well as words) supported by the US until they decided they didn't like him . It's curious that one of the charges brought against him is that he used force to put down insurrections, and attempted assassinations . Try overthrowing the US Government, and see if they use force . Saddam is going to get a fair hanging . Oops, I meant "trial" . (No I didn't . )	Graham L (2)
386247	2005-09-09 09:24:00	Don't worry about it, Andrew . Facts have never mattered in this . {snip} Saddam is going to get a fair hanging . Oops, I meant "trial" . (No I didn't . ) Why let facts get in the way of a good story? :D Hasn't he already admitted to the charges? Oh yeah, that admission was withdrawn pretty quickly too! :thumbs: A :cool:	andrew93 (249)
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