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Thread ID: 61498	2005-09-06 23:33:00	Does this make me a Racist ?	KiwiTT_NZ (233)	PC World Chat

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386562	2005-09-07 05:51:00	I know not all Maori are asking for compensation. However, a lot of tribal elders or representatives are not even full Maori. How many are ? This is my concern. Also why should they be treated differently if they are only 1/32, 1/64 or even less; when they are in fact more of some other race. "Race" based policies is wrong as it causes a lot of people to take advantage of it. Maybe I'm being too pedantic, but your statement that "Race based policies are wrong as it causes a lot of people to take advatange of it" takes the wrong approach. Perhaps the real question is "is 'race' the best basis for policy-making?" It's been touted by politicians that "need" is a better approach, but as I mentioned above, the use of "race" is a categorisation tool, to generalise a community of interest. As others have said here, not all members of a race claim a benefit that is targeted at their race, nor are they necessarily eligible. In this case, the policy framework has begun with the identification of the community of interest (by "race" in this case), then have stepped down to eligibility criteria. There are many other policies that follow this pattern, but identify the community of interest by geographical area, age, etc. Invariably, the complaints originate from people who feel the identification of communities of interest is unfair or exclusive. Where race is the used as the common denominator, that is often because it is the easiest way to "cast the net"	Lizard (2409)
386563	2005-09-07 06:16:00	Scouse: Anyone who volunteers such a sweeping statement with dubious facts seems to have obvious qualifications as a stirrer. And as Maori are fairly scarce in Liverpool, you've presumably done your tribal learning since you got here? Actually, I'd picked you as one who mixed with only the white jellybeans in the jar. But now that I see you have insider knowledge, I'll have to rethink. ( Your "when" it gets through - not "if" - shows you obviously know more than the rest of us. How else could you be certain that a concept without a snowball's chance in Hell would actually come to pass?) Then again, maybe it was too quiet an afternoon for a stirrer..?	Laura (43)
386564	2005-09-07 06:17:00	To answer your question, no it doesn't make you a racist. However, IMO, I think that racism is more about thinking one race is better than another, or vice versa. Thinking that races are different isn't racism, because races are different. Heres an example i saw on the news not to long ago: Indian girls in NZ are more likely to be overwieght, because they don't play sports, because girls playing sport is looked down on in Indian culture. However in India girls dance to stay fit. Should the Government provide funding for Indian girls to have dance clubs and lesson? Or is this funding based on race? I agree with both. It's funding based on race, because that specific race has certain requirements other races don't. I don't, however, think that this race is better or worse because of this requirement. And I don't think this thinking makes me racist. You may disagree with the current race-based funding agenda that Labour has (and previous Labour and National governments supported and implemented). But you cannot deny that it has had huge effects on Maori welfare. Unlike in America were race-based funding (affirmative action) has barely been implemented and African-Americans are still as worse off as they were during and before Martin Luther King Jr's era.	imarubberducky (7230)
386565	2005-09-07 06:29:00	Does this make me a racist? A maori, a samoan, and an aborigne are in a truck, whos driving? corrective services Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .	Metla (12)
386566	2005-09-07 06:43:00	What annoys me is that the NZ govt, and hence NZ taxpayers are paying for the compensation. The "crimes" were committed by the Crown (then govt. of UK), and therefore claims should be laid with them, and not with the NZ govt. Also, claiming the likes of fishing rights, land is fine, because that's what was used by the Maori ancestors, and that's what was unlawfully taken. Why they can claim radio frequencies, airspace, etc. is just ridiculous, as those technologies were unavailable then, and some of which have been developed in partnership by people from all around the world, from all sorts of cultures, including Maori. Treaty settlements should only be limited to things which were relevent at the time the wrongs were committed - so fishing rights, land, pounamu, native forest etc. should be compensated for if they were unlawfully taken. But things which simply "didn't exist" in the 1800/1900's shouldn't be on the claim list. My opinion anyway.	somebody (208)
386567	2005-09-07 07:22:00	Somebody, unfortunately, for this aspect of the debate, when NZ became self a determining entity (yeah right), we took on certain responsibilities and liabilities . As for the rest of the debate, I believe that in a truly egalitarian society, it is not ideal to target (or, depending on your point of view, pander to) specific segments of society, for a benefit, or otherwise, that others will not accrue, by means of easily identifiable differences to the rest of society . But, the reality is, as pointed out above, that governments, and private interprise for that matter, need to identify and target specific groups and, race or ethnicity, happens to be a convenient and efficient method of doing so, as is age, gendre, family status, etc, etc . What you should be questioning, is not the method but, the need in the first place . We really need find the truly egalitarian society to make much sense of it all anyway . Anybody got one lying around doing nothing? To answer the thread starters query "Does this make me a Racist ?": No not necessarilly, but then it doesn't prove your not either . Laura, a tad xenophobic, don't you think? Met's, the truck could have been stolen, so, the question remains, who's driving? :rolleyes:	Murray P (44)
386568	2005-09-07 08:31:00	Hi Laura. Even my heaviest line couldn't reel that bite in. :rolleyes:	Scouse (83)
386569	2005-09-07 10:18:00	Hi Laura. Even my heaviest line couldn't reel that bite in. :rolleyes: Or, the bait's rancid :yuck: :lol:	Murray P (44)
386570	2005-09-07 10:25:00	corrective services Nice joke Met. :lol: Met's, the truck could have been stolen, so, the question remains, who's driving? :rolleyes: Corrective services. The maori in the front seat is holding a knife to the corrective services guys throat 'cos they've just stolen the truck and broken out of prison. :D	vapo (5203)
386571	2005-09-07 10:35:00	My grandfather had to work as a slave laborer in Germany, because he was a part "Jew" . I think a 1/4 was . My grandmother on the otherside was "German" . Now this would make me 1/4 German . Do I now sue my 1/4 German side that my 1/16 Jew side was wronged, i . e . the wages he was not paid . Of course not . Au contraire . Your grandfather, or you as his representative can sue . IG Farben, BMW, Krupp and Seimens all used slave labour as did about 300 American companies within Germany . This is a hot topic and very much alive . In fact Michael Moore took a former Jewish slave worker along to BMW to see if they would finally pay him . They looked a little sick .	Winston001 (3612)
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