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Thread ID: 61950	2005-09-22 01:47:00	More Maori controversy	Peterj116 (6762)	PC World Chat

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390161	2005-09-22 22:49:00	Originally Posted by plod You would think the courts would be fluent in maori as they are pretty much over represented in court.. No, you're thinking of prisons. :DUm..... Let me assure you there are plenty of non-maori in the can, allthough the exsistance of a marae in Paparua, and possibly many other prisons disturbs me.	personthingy (1670)
390162	2005-09-22 22:52:00	Might want to visit a North Island prison....... Then again you might not........HA.....	Metla (12)
390163	2005-09-22 23:34:00	Tazz, in answer to your question. (I'm sure if a Maori said you were a crossbreed, you would get up and deck him correct?) Incorrect, that person, any person, would only be making a statement of fact. So why would I feel disposed to deck them for telling the truth? You go on to make another incorrect statement: (You will never open your eyes, you will never see Maori as equals,) On the contrary, I see those who wish to be described as Maori “exactly” equal. “Exactly” being the operative word. I simply don’t see their cross breeding being superior to my cross breeding and therefore requiring me to pay for privileges for them and them alone. Fortunately, New Zealand has only a relatively small number or racists (1.3% going on last Saturdays count) but they do tend to ruin things for the rest. Something else for your consideration. How did the Maori Race, that supposedly suffered so badly at the hands of the British and a few others, manage to be completely out-crossed in just a little over 100 years? I would suggest we all must have been getting along just fine for that to happen. :D	B.M. (505)
390164	2005-09-22 23:46:00	Um..... Let me assure you there are plenty of non-maori in the can, allthough the exsistance of a marae in Paparua, and possibly many other prisons disturbs me. Oh, absolutely. But having 54% of the prison population coming from just 15% of the general population is a pretty embarrassing statistic, whether that race is Maori, Pakeha or Martian.	Peterj116 (6762)
390165	2005-09-23 00:13:00	Peter where do you get those stats from? Seems like we cant live and let live in this land of the long white cloud . . . . . . Opinions are overated, facts are facts, and i see lots of these in this thread, and also some mighty steamed up ideas . No offence . I have done maori class's, part of my study - compulsary, and im not maori, i probably will forget most of it before i ever need to use it . Best we just leave well alone on this topic i think, as we on here will not change anything, people will all have their own ideas and it will just grind up people the wrong way if its not the same as theirs . Have a nice day everyone, no offence intended, but somethings here should not be talked about, such as religion, politics, and race - colour . The effects are long reaching and can be hurtful, be nice to one another . :rolleyes: Sounds a bit off but its not a grump or a moan at any one, just what i see . . . . . . beetle :)	beetle (243)
390166	2005-09-23 00:17:00	Peter where do you get those stats from? No, you're thinking of prisons . :D Oh, that's "Maori-bashing" . Sorry . Never let the facts ( . corrections . govt . nz/public/aboutus/servicegroupprofiles/publicprisonsservice/keyfacts . html" target="_blank">www . corrections . govt . nz) get in the way of political correctness . :rolleyes: Public Prisons Service Key Facts * New Zealand has 20 publicly-run prisons, capable of accommodating a total of up to 7200 sentenced and remand prisoners * Of these 20 publicly-run prisons, 17 are men?s prisons and three are women?s prisons . There is also a temporary unit for female prisoners located at Waikeria Prison . * About 3,490 people work full time for the Public Prisons Service (PPS) * In 2003/04, PPS managed a daily average of around 6,250 prisoners . * Maori comprise approximately 45 . 7 percent of the prison population * Women prisoners comprise around 4 . 4 percent of the prison population * Just under half of the prisoner population is less than 30 years old (43 percent) * The main reasons for male imprisonment are: 39 percent for violence offences; 22 percent for sexual violence offences; 22 for property offences (e . g . burglary), 9 percent for drug offences; 8 percent for traffic offences * The average cost of keeping an offender in prison is $56,575 per year	Peterj116 (6762)
390167	2005-09-23 00:21:00	......., be nice to one another.......beetle :):)fluffy clouds, better futures... nice thoughts.. better world :) And if that sounds like a lot of hippy dribble to you, let me rephrase it. Our focus is the greatest tool for deciding where we go and what our futures may hold for us. :D	personthingy (1670)
390168	2005-09-23 00:36:00	Check out the stats for any country and you will find that is the 'lower classes' that are the bulk of the prison population. It's not a race thing witrh Maori in prisons, it's a class issue. The poorer people, the unemployed, the ones booted around at the bottom of the heap. are the ones that make up the bulk of the prison population and Maori are over represented because they are the ones largely who are amongst the poor and unemplyed. THough I realy agree with Beetle. Happiness to you all, sunshine and laughter. Why spoil a great day. My capslock button is DEAD! :D	mark c (247)
390169	2005-09-23 01:11:00	Check out the stats for any country and you will find that is the 'lower classes' that are the bulk of the prison population. It's not a race thing witrh Maori in prisons, it's a class issue. The poorer people, the unemployed, the ones booted around at the bottom of the heap. are the ones that make up the bulk of the prison population and Maori are over represented because they are the ones largely who are amongst the poor and unemplyed. Poor innocent Mark. I'm afraid you've been kidnapped by the PC brigade. I'm as white as the driven snow. I rent in South Auckland. Been turned down for a home loan more times than I care to admit. But I manage to get through life without raping grannies or robbing banks. Read the figures again. 39 percent for violence offences; 22 percent for sexual violence offences; 22 for property offences (e.g. burglary), 9 percent for drug offences; 8 percent for traffic offences. What part of being poor (or being Maori, for that matter) leads to those sorts of crimes? Violent offences: Sure, being poor can get you really p***ed off. I should know. But I can manage without venting my frustration by beating people up. Sexual offences: No connection to poverty/skin colour/Maori culture at all. How is raping someone going to make you richer? I live in Sth Auckland, therefore I'm entitled to rape? Don't think so. Property offences: In many cases linked to poverty; but again, I get by without stealing. Drugs: Just shoot the bastards. If you can afford drugs, you can afford food. Traffic offences: Try driving normally like everyone else. Bottom line is that all of the above are the result of an individual's deliberate behaviour.	Peterj116 (6762)
390170	2005-09-23 01:31:00	ooooooooooooh . It is nice to be called innocent for a change . Just when I was begining to worry I was corrupt and deviant . The ideology that we are all uniquely capable of defiing our own paths and behaviours fails to take into account that we are initailly defined by others on the basis of race, gender, age etc . Don't get me wrong . I'm not saying this is fixed or irresistable, but it is there . A scruffly dressed pakeha youth walks into a shop; and the assistant thinks "A scruffy looking customer" . A scruffily dressed Maori youth walks into a shop and the assisant thinks "A shoplifter . " Won't go on anymore about this . Beetle was right . But please don't be insulting . :)	mark c (247)
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