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Thread ID: 61822	2005-09-17 23:31:00	So what sort of government will we have?	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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389033	2005-09-17 23:31:00	Does anyone else think that Labour is NOT assured of forming a government? It seems that United Future and NZ First are going to play a pivotal role, as may also the Maori Party. Whatever, a minority govt will be in place. Any bets on a by-election before the 3 year term is up?	Strommer (42)
389034	2005-09-17 23:33:00	Yes I agree National may still be in with a fighting chance to form a government, But only time will tell :)	Overdrive_5000 (4950)
389035	2005-09-17 23:51:00	The big problem with governments of any shade is that they feel impelled to be continuously legislating, otherwise they fear they will not be seen to be governing. It has got worse over the years in NZ, Parliament appears to be sitting for ever longer, with urgency all the while. Years ago, Parliament only sat for a few weeks of the year, or so it seemed. Most of this legislation is probably unecessary, and life seems to carry on more or less the same. Except for the lawyers who make a bomb out of new legislation, can average Joe Bloggs actually say if they know what legislation has been passed in the previous year? It is always to be hoped that a finely balanced government can only pass bland legislation that no-one really objects to, and which doesn't actually do any harm. The thing that is dangerous for democracy as we know it, is government by excessive use or mis-use of Ministerial Decree, it breeds arrogance.	Terry Porritt (14)
389036	2005-09-18 00:48:00	Remember that there are almost 200,000 special votes that still have to be counted, so I think it could still go either way. :)	maccrazy (6741)
389037	2005-09-18 01:21:00	New boss same as the old boss - DON"T get fooled again ----pleeeeeeze	zqwerty (97)
389038	2005-09-18 04:16:00	When we get a written constitution, it would be nice to have an entrenched clause which requires that every new piece of law must come with the repeal of some other piece of law. If the new stuff removes any right, it should remove two other pieces of law. But politicians have delusions of relevance, so it will never come about.	Graham L (2)
389039	2005-09-18 05:18:00	Theres an overhang of 2, due to the Maori party - so theres going to be a 122 seat parliament. This means that to govern, either National or Labour needs 62 seats. A National, Act, United Future and NZ first agreement would still only give them 61 seats - forcing them to choose another partner from the Greens, Maori Party or Progressives - which is rather unlikely. A Labour, Green, Progressive agreement would give Labour 57 seats, with the option of United Future & the Maori Party, or NZ First - either would give them a 64 majority. United Future and NZ First have said they would talk to the party with the most votes first and Peter Dunne has said he could support a Labour government with confidence and supply with the Greens, but not a Labour/Green coalition. Also the Greens have traditionaly won an extra seat after the special votes were counted, if this holds true this election, then a Labour/Green/Progressive/Maori government or agreement would be possible - with a 62 seat majority. If the Labour=50/National=49 seat ratio is the same after the special votes have been counted, then Labour is in a stronger position to be the next government. In any case, I'd predict an unstable government over the next 3 years (if it lasts that long)	imarubberducky (7230)
389040	2005-09-18 05:50:00	"I will go with the party that has the majority of the vote on the night" (or words to that effect) - Winston Peters. Greens won't side with National. That's it, game over for National.	pine-o-cleen (2955)
389041	2005-09-18 06:23:00	What we will have is a Government run by minor parties of whatever persuasion. Thus giving the major party the ability to make up excuses why they should not follow through on their election bribes.	d.murray (276)
389042	2005-09-18 07:00:00	There's some good analysis in this thread and my opinion as to what sort of Government we will have? Assuming the special votes don't change the outcome, then it will be a 'lame duck' government. "All bark and no bite" - which might actually be a good thing. With an impending economic slowdown, hindsight may reveal this was a good election to lose - whoever loses this time will have a much higher party vote next time around. And as others have stated it won't last 3 years, and my money says there will be another election in 18-24 months (assuming we don't stalemate in the next month). Yet again Winston holds the key...but then he always does given he holds the 'middle ground'. A	andrew93 (249)
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