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| Thread ID: 90020 | 2008-05-20 02:07:00 | Is it illegal (in NZ) if someone connects | Speedy Gonzales (78) | Press F1 |
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| 671003 | 2008-05-20 10:16:00 | To an insecure wireless network (if someone is on broadband) . And uses their access? I know its illegal in other countries (I've just read about someone who got caught in the UK, sitting on a wall, by 2 cops) . He was connecting to a insecure wireless connection belonging to someone whos on broadband (the wall was the owner's wall) . To get onto the net . And may go to prison for 6 mths or get a fine of 500 pounds ! Why I'm asking is, I know someone who did this the other day, there's like 12 insecure wireless networks around here . He connected to one of them, (using a laptop), and by the looks of it, he's using it to get onto the net . I am not sure, however it is common practive overseas, such as in london, to hop onto wireless hotspots, which are often businesses own wireless connections . |
robbyp (2751) | ||
| 671004 | 2008-05-20 10:24:00 | I would say hotspots are different to what this topic is about. Most of the un/insecure wireless networks around here, I would say havent been pw protected, so it stops people from connecting to them. They're people, not businesses (there's not a lot of businesses around here), and town is like 10 mins by bus from here. Thats a fair distance from here to there. |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 671005 | 2008-05-20 10:25:00 | hmm interesting, heard of a boarding house in Dunedin where a lot of the students uses their PSP's and laptop to surf a wireless connection they found. Obviously some people don't keep an eye on their usage...hope they've got a unlimited account | kewefella (2092) | ||
| 671006 | 2008-05-20 10:54:00 | Here's another angle to this thread: What if I had an Xtra broadband account and I wanted to share the cost of it with my neighbours by providing them access via wireless. Anything wrong with that? And if I was planning to do that, what sort of Access Point would I need to buy to give coverage over say 100 m radius? |
TideMan (4279) | ||
| 671007 | 2008-05-20 10:54:00 | I would say obtaining the use of their internet (service/benefit) without their permission is covered by this. Also this one: (b) causes loss to any other person. |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 671008 | 2008-05-20 10:55:00 | Here's another angle to this thread: What if I had an Xtra broadband account and I wanted to share the cost of it with my neighbours by providing them access via wireless. Anything wrong with that? And if I was planning to do that, what sort of Access Point would I need to buy to give coverage over say 100 m radius? I'm pretty sure their TOS will prevent you reselling their residential service. |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 671009 | 2008-05-20 11:02:00 | I'm pretty sure their TOS will prevent you reselling their residential service. But I'm a total innocent, inadvertantly allowing wireless access to my neighbours and payment is in kind, not $$$. |
TideMan (4279) | ||
| 671010 | 2008-05-20 12:17:00 | I suppose if you want to prosecute, you need proof of intention. If someone's parked out front of your house then that's pretty obvious, but if my neighbour had an unsecured connection and, as wratterus mentioned, I played the noob card then I'd say it would be a decent enough excuse. If however my neighbour logged a bunch of P2P traffic against my MAC address (not too difficult to spoof (www.klcconsulting.net)) then that's another story. Ignorance is not innocence, ignorance is not an excuse in law. Do not misconstrue facts and law, or legal argument, they are two different things. Besides, having the tools and having done the deed is intent enough and, it doesn't matter if that intent is good or bad, as has happened prosecutions occur regardless, though the sentencing may differ if you bat your eyelashes and smile sweetly at the judge. |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 671011 | 2008-05-20 12:48:00 | You're allowed to share your Internet, but reselling is different. If your mate just happens to shout you dinner once a month due to said kindness, thats also fine from what I understand. 100m away? Line of Sight? Might be worth getting an AP at both ends (Yours and your neighbors), put a decent yagi-directional antenna, then running something like DD-WRT to create a Wireless Distribution system. 2x Routers = $165 approx (Ive got a few Asus WL-520GC's and they do good) 2x Yagi-Directional 9dbi antenna = $130 approx DD-WRT = Priceless ;) ...OK, so its not the best imitation of a Mastercard ad, but you get the idea about pricing ;) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 671012 | 2008-05-21 05:34:00 | Hey all, New to the forums and haven't posted a thing up . But scanning this entire response to is it or not legal to use a insecure wireless AP, no one has ever mentioned "WarDriving" . Now granted that WarDriving is driving around in your car, and looking for insecure APs to map a neighborhoods' wireless systems, they never actually connect to it . But there are the few who do it . And it is illegal in many countries, I don't see why it wouldn't be illegal here as long as the accuser had solid evidence and proof . . wikipedia . org/wiki/Wardriving" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org <-- Definition . Now being from the States, in the State of Oregon, I remember someone speaking about a guy getting caught sitting out in front of a house, that the house owner didn't know of . Immediately there after he realized his internet being slow around those times so he called the police . He had been leeching internet from someone who didn't have it secure . But then again this could go both ways . The person who didn't have insecure, should have secured it . But the persons leeching should know the differences between right and wrong, and there are those who don't really care . Bottom line is that people should have common sense enough to know what is right or wrong . Illegal or not, it shouldn't be done . You aren't paying for the CAP so don't use it unless you have permission . |
Nitish (13764) | ||
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