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Thread ID: 62161	2005-09-28 20:28:00	When will it end?	Peterj116 (6762)	PC World Chat

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391898	2005-09-30 08:33:00	Oh dear . Come on guys, it is nice weather outside (well at least here it is!) . Time to cool it down and maybe take a walk rather than posting your frustrations at each other . It tends to get noone anywhere . Aww hell Jennn! Just when I was warming up to giving them a good hiding too :rolleyes: You wont get off so lightly next time guys, Jen's not always going to be around to save your sorry *cough*s :blush: While I've got your attention Jen, what do ya think of a boardies awards, hmm, waddya reckon, eh . I can ensure certain benefits come your way, nudge nudge wink wink, perhaps a little koha your way, what about most beautiful moderator award (you'd be a shoe in anyway), waddya say Jen .	Murray P (44)
391899	2005-09-30 10:00:00	While I've got your attention Jen, what do ya think of a boardies awards, hmm, waddya reckon, eh.Boardies award? Hmm ... not sure what this is. - Award for those who spend so much time on the forum they are endanger of being charged board for their keep? - Board shorts wearing award? This one could be good, can I judge it? :p - Surfers! Must be that. Websurfers ... ? Nope, lost me on this one. BTW, if you want to be in on the board shorts award you might need to leave the lemon chiffon pie alone ;)	Jen (38)
391900	2005-09-30 11:02:00	I don't know that your comparison is fair Murray. Maori view themselves as a special case and it seems to most observers that they are successful. The Taniwha and the road are a good example. If a Christian or a Moslem claimed a road was going to cross a sacred spiritual site, most of the population would fall about laughing. Then they'd make offensive remarks about superstition, Graham Capil/ Osama Bin Laden etc. But when Maori speak, anyone who opposes them is immediately labelled as racist. It has already happened in this thread. If a Huntly environmental group proposed this action, they'd be chastised and ignored. What is more, they'd be unlikely to suggest that the environment could be bought off for $4.5 million. In fact I cannot think of a public group trying to stop this transformer and having any chance of success. Except..................the local Iwi. I know that plenty of people cynically extort the Resource Management Act to obtain inflated prices and settlements. I don't like it either but thats democracy. It used to occur under the Town and Country Planning Act too.	Winston001 (3612)
391901	2005-09-30 20:35:00	It's the thinking that is beyond me. Last night on Viewpoint,the Maori fellow suggest that the woman who has just got 2 years 9 months,shouldn't go to jail because she has done good works for her group.That is, if thinking is part of the equation.	Cicero (40)
391902	2005-09-30 21:47:00	It's the thinking that is beyond me. Last night on Viewpoint,the Maori fellow suggest that the woman who has just got 2 years 9 months,shouldn't go to jail because she has done good works for her group.That is, if thinking is part of the equation. There must be many decent, intelligent, upstanding members of the Maori community who are disgusted and embarrassed at those idiots who cried "Racism" and did the haka - after hearing Donna Huata's sentence. There she was, a minister of parliament and a role model for so many Maori, stealing money destined for children and then blatantly being dishonest on national news. And there does not seem to be any remorse. Hells bells, I think the judge was quite lenient!!	Strommer (42)
391903	2005-09-30 22:40:00	I don't know that your comparison is fair Murray . Maori view themselves as a special case and it seems to most observers that they are successful . The Taniwha and the road are a good example . If a Christian or a Moslem claimed a road was going to cross a sacred spiritual site, most of the population would fall about laughing . Then they'd make offensive remarks about superstition, Graham Capil/ Osama Bin Laden etc . But when Maori speak, anyone who opposes them is immediately labelled as racist . It has already happened in this thread . . . . . . OK, so i'll bite . . . . . . I didn't actually use the word racist, but maybe i should have been more direct . What urks me about this thread is not that it focuses on one group of people are using whatever technique the can to look after their own interests with no regard to the greater good of the country; or the fact that the people not giving a toss about our countrys greater good happen to be Moari; but that it is the 3rd thread in a row that has focused on Moari, and it's curious that all other groups that practice these types of games get away with no more than a token mention . Generally this kind of thinking is called "normal business" . It is sadly normal in our society to do the best we can for ourselves with with little or no regard to the greater good . Those who freely give to help others tend to stick out like dogsballs on a cat . I'm not condoning selfishness, but i'm questioning why such a small group are getting such a disproportional amount of attention . As for Christian or Moslem, history and NZ law has many consessions to christian influence, and i seem to remember a controvisy here in Hagley college, CHCH about allowances being made for the cultural needs of Moslem who are a relatively new player as far as a significant local NZ presence is concerned . I can't be bothered getting into the specifics of this, but Moari is not the only culture that is allowed for in our society, nor the only culture whose "needs" lead to politics that inspire a groan or two . Its just that suddenly some people are chosing to single out this group . I for one would not be making "offensive remarks about superstition, Graham Capil/ Osama Bin Laden etc" in relation to anyone asserting the wishes of Christian or Moslem . I may not agree with what they want, but its the issues that matter, not the culture or race . It certainly isn't the actions of individuals such as Graham or Osama who shape the rest of the group, or influence whatever considerations their cultuaral requirements may or may not get from me . As for Moari seeing themselves as a specail case, show me one lobby group who doesn't . OK, maybe there might be one or two, but most people don't lobby for the greater good of the planet, just their own selfish interests or personal obsessions . In some cases Moari do have Moari specific rights and perks owing to a treaty document our european ancestors signed with our Moari ancestors . These ancesteral perks seem to get some peoples backs up, yet few would question our right to enjoy the perks we might enjoy because of our dead grandfathers family trust . This case however appears to me to be just plain old "we are more important than everyone else, so give us some money and we'll shut up", or in otherwords standard ugly typical selfish human behaviour . What i expect to happen is the transformer will get through, much needed NI power gereration will be increased, and the people who made a right pain of themselves will be bought out . They are doing it because they can, because they put themselves and family before everyelse, but not because they are moari - and that's what urks me - the focus on moari this and moari that . If we're going to have Moari bashing week so be it, in some ways it keeps some sort of balance with last months yanky bashing thread where again some people jumped up and down labelling a whole heap of people because of frustrations with some that are part of the culture known as America . This was equally revolting to me as the current focus We've had our anti-america week, and now 3 threads of moari focus . Can we see if we can pick on someone else now, or better still, lets see if we can look at our own selfishness, mistakes or faults rather than focusing elsewhere . Now that might be a real challenge .	personthingy (1670)
391904	2005-09-30 23:08:00	A side note or two Enviromental impact is a standard argument often used to slow the greater good in the instrests of a few, again nothing new here, let's consider the farmers who don't want Auckland to get power for its growing population because it will mean new pylons will be on or near their land.... sound familiar? In both cases there are some real issues, but the greater good far outweighs them. Also the Moaris AKA "katchafire enterprises Ltd" i was working for/with last night were great.. what a well oiled machine that show is, indeed a privilege to work beside. I look forward to part two of the show tonight.	personthingy (1670)
391905	2005-10-01 09:39:00	Winnie, you have no arguement from me . I'll say it again, not only Maori try to use the system to their adavantage . I also noted, as you have done, that it happened prior to the RMA . The RMA has perhaps given more people an opportunity to try it on, whereas previously, decisions where kept within TA's, by commitee or officers . I do note that some Maori have a precious view of themselves, which is at odds with what they actually do . The Huata nonsnse is as good an example of this as any . Essentailly, IMO, there is a section of the Maori hierarchy (and those that have managed to get a place at the trough) that are milking it for all they are worth . What's made round, comes around .	Murray P (44)
391906	2005-10-01 11:25:00	I really hesitate to post because I don't want to encourage Maori bashing. But it is simply incorrect to say that it is just a group of people trying to block the transformer - it is Huntly's Waahi Whanui Trust. A local marae. There are lots of non-Maori living in the area who may feel the same way, but the Trust won't be sharing whatever they can extort with them. It is a rort.	Winston001 (3612)
391907	2005-10-01 12:35:00	I really hesitate to post because I don't want to encourage Maori bashing . But it is simply incorrect to say that it is just a group of people trying to block the transformer - it is Huntly's Waahi Whanui Trust . A local marae . There are lots of non-Maori living in the area who may feel the same way, but the Trust won't be sharing whatever they can extort with them . It is a rort . Winnie, I am not incorrect, I was being general, nowhere in that last post did I mention that particular incident . I believe the thread has ranged a little wider than the bridge biffo . Even so, one marae, what's it's membership, what sort of mandate, if any, do the people seeking "gifts" have . These things are usually instigated a few, no! But, many will go alone for the ride, probably more than a few who have no business being there, the usual suspects . I think it is a general frustration with many non Maori, that they see these sort of things as Maori putting themselves above the law and what is seen as acceptable behaviour, morals even . This is as opposed to the general view on targeted health funding, etc, which I believe most non Maori do not begrudge . Exploitation of these incidents by people with a particular agenda (politicians), tends to breed more resentment which spills over into other areas of the relationship, IMO . The main difference I see in the bridge type incidents and what I was refering to earlier with such things as resource consents, is the demeanor of the askees': one in your face the other a private matter and, one, obviously, ethnically based, while the other has no such constraints . Unfortunately, something, somewhere, is going to give, before it is addressed in any meaningful way .	Murray P (44)
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