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Thread ID: 62140	2005-09-28 01:38:00	Bill$ Worst Nightmare	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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391543	2005-09-30 01:53:00	...And no one will even remember Windows Vista, it will exsist maybe in a couple of musems and in the odd textbook.... Along with the data it once rendered in proprietary format. That, IMO, is the single biggest issue with closed proporietary code. When it is used to close off the format, your/our data, including a chunk of history, is at the whim of the owner and the market. Some F*&@ could be sitting in a boardroom right now plotting the demise of your data, for no other reason than to line his and his shareholders pockets or pump his ego to new heights. If he thinks of your data at all, it will not be out of concern for you, it will be about bottom line and, there the thought will die.	Murray P (44)
391544	2005-09-30 02:23:00	um....is that a point? I could name a dozen companies that are ready to fall over, still doesn't change the fact that market dominence never lasts forever, look at IBM, Sega, Nintendo, The Pommy car industry, the American car industry, Fentucky Fried Chicken.......The PC Company..... If the key MS products stop selling in huge numbers (Office and OS's) their big fat wallets will do nothing to save them, The machine is huge and needs not only constant feeding but larger portions as it grows. If the Monolopy is broken then MS are in deep deep trouble, Thats not saying that the company would fold but would take a massive change in structure. It needs to be noticed that the PC market is still in ints infancy, if we pick DOS as a start point then its still only 20 years young, In 50 years time many of todays big guns wont even be around anymore. ...And no one will even remember Windows Vista, it will exsist maybe in a couple of musems and in the odd textbook.... Unfortunately, I'd have to say the barriers to entry in this particular market are a bit too large to overcome. The current scenario is that it isn't a monopoly, but MS are large enough to dwarf or absorb any competitor. The point I'm making is that while in theory it's nice to say that it won't last forever, I can't really see any new killer app being developed by a competitor which could have access to the R&D funds which MS are sure to set aside to continually develop new products in order to sustain their competitive advantage. If in the unlikely scenario there was such a product, MS would either patent it first, buy it out, or create a clone and market the heck out of it to get consumers to choose their product over the competing one. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
391545	2005-09-30 02:28:00	well, I think we will have to just disagree then :D	Metla (12)
391546	2005-09-30 02:30:00	Yeah, good that it didn't turn into a flame war, etc! :D Roll on Friday afternoon.... Lo.	Lohsing (219)
391547	2005-09-30 03:09:00	There is a rumour circulating that MS is going to split into 3 divisions: ie: Xbox and gaming, Operating Systems and Office Apps. This would see each one managed as a separate entity and responsible for its own profit. If I was Bill I think I'd be a little worried at my stagnant share prices and the rapid rise of Google's. Interesting times people. ;)	Sb0h (3744)
391548	2005-09-30 03:16:00	A rapid rise in share price doesn't necessarily mean the company is doing well. Case in point, Amazon share prices. They have shot up remarkably high, and yet their trading figures / profit don't actually back up that price as yet. This was the underlying factor in the whole dotcom bubble bursting situation a few years back. Companies that grew too quickly literally burnt the cash coming in on expansion and then when they ran out of the money and STILL hadn't returned a profit... they crashed. Google have grown quickly, but I'm not convinced their share price is stable. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
391549	2005-09-30 03:18:00	MS is currently split into 7 divisions(granted as one company), with the Office,OS and server side software the only ones making a profit. The gameing division lost millions when they only concentrated on PC's and since the focus has turned to consoles the gaming division has lost 4 billion dollars over 4 years, and they forcast record losess with the release of the Xbox360. If they split them into entirely seperate companies then the gaming devision would die instantly. As a note of interest, the Sega Dreamcast lost approx $250 million in its lifespan, causing sega to drop out of the console building market complety, kill off most of its projects and seek investment in the way of selling to a parent company just to keep the brand name alive. The Xbox should have lasted mere weeks at that rate of loss.	Metla (12)
391550	2005-09-30 03:20:00	Lo, you are quite correct. But if you were in Bill's shoes wouldn't you be a little worried that attention (as far as shareholders were concerned) was on Google and not MS? In addition MS has got to be worried about the possibility of Apple creating MAC OS to run natively on the x86 platform. Note: This is just my :2cents: this is only a rumour.	Sb0h (3744)
391551	2005-10-01 11:38:00	Trev, he's a known criminal, deals in stolen goods and extortion, countless convictions, many more back door deals, including political, to avoid punishment. I could think of better role models. As for tall poppies, if they want to pop their heads up into the sun, then they got to take the bad with the good. Not bad compenasation if you can get it though. <yawn>	Standing_Amazed (7841)
391552	2005-10-01 13:12:00	The gameing division lost millions when they only concentrated on PC's and since the focus has turned to consoles the gaming division has lost 4 billion dollars over 4 years, and they forcast record losess with the release of the Xbox360. I was under the impressions that MS lost money off the xbox's, but made that back and more on the games. Correct me if im wrong. As for micrsofts divisions, theyve recently reorganized it from 7 to 3 which u can read about here (www.windowsitpro.com) if you really care. I seriously doubt MS is goin 2 die as quickly and easily as those have predicted, especilly right now when PC makers have no alternative OS to install on there PC's (Lets face it Linux is not made for end-users). As for a Google OS? I seriously doubt it will be released anytime soon. They'll at least want to make their brand more intergrated with there user base by proving they can make some worthy programs (unlike the crappy Google Talk) And anyway, once google releases an OS, theyll be the devil and you'll all move onto the next obscure thing	imarubberducky (7230)
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