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Thread ID: 62649	2005-10-14 20:00:00	Evolutıon????	farukmert (9073)	PC World Chat

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396265	2005-10-17 23:16:00	Hey everyone. First of all, more and more scientists are concluding that this could not have been an accident. The statistical probability for everything being created with such accuracy and physical laws is very very low. They are now calling the earth intelligent design. If people can't accept how God came to be, how can you believe in an accident happening and creating everything? One of the limitations of the human mind is that everything has to have a beginning. In the bible Psalms 90:2 tells us how God is for time indefinite. So just because we can't comprehend it does not mean we should reject it. Do you reject the notion that there is no end to space? Astronomers tell us that the heat of the sun at its core is 15,000,000 degrees celcius. So do we dismiss this idea since we cannot imagine how hot it is? The bible is the oldest book we have and it is testimony to there being a God. If you look into 2 Timothy 3:16, it says the bible is "inspired of God". This basically means that everything within the bible was written by God. So we can definitely trust the bible. Read this scripture Isaiah 40:22. This scripture mentions the earth being round and this book of the bible was completed in 732 BCE, well before man confirmed for himself that it was round. The devil is not something within us. In Job 1:6-12 and 2:1-7, we can read about conversations between God and the devil. So if the devil was something within us, then the devil is something within God, which cannot be when we read Psalms 92:15 which tells us that there is no unrighteousness in God. A last point to leave you on. God's name is Jehovah. If you look in Psalms 83:18, this point is made. However, newer bibles will leave out this name. This is because it is written in ancient Hebrew and ancient Hebrew has no vowels. Thus many bibles ommit the name of God because they do not know the proper pronunciation. This is a silly thing, as the name Jesus, can be pronounced as Yeshua or Yehoshua, but it is still included within the bible. Well, i will end class now. Im sure there will be a lot of controversy to follow!	white_lightning (8693)
396266	2005-10-17 23:22:00	Some interesting thoughts Winston001. But do you seriously believe that the thought that "god is watching" ever deterred anyone from commiting a dishonest act? Note devout xtians ignoring the "watching god" wile commiting crimes. If he is watching why does he permit such cruel and vicious acts to occur. In my mind he is guilty of being an accessory to the acts. Every civilisation in history has professed a belief in god/s to explain what they can't understand. And several people,smarter than most, have started or taken over, control of the religion. It's a great power base. This made me laugh. When I was at school we were told that god kept a large leger with details of every person whoever lived. All his sins were recorded. A nephew of mine tells me he was taught that god has a computer. "a million times" more powerful than anything on earth and he keeps personal files on all of us. At least god is keeping up with technology.	JJJJJ (528)
396267	2005-10-17 23:33:00	Also, i wonder why the creationist and evolutionart theries are seen as mutually exclusive? If we were created, then surely time would then allow us to only continue with whatever was sustainable, or in otherwords, adapt or evolve? Because that contradicts what is written in the bible, and The Bible in their eyes is the work of God and cant be wrong,after all God wrote it. Is there a God? I have no more idea then anyone else. Is there a creator? Probally. Is The creator the same God as worshipped by Christians? Yes, Except they made up a book of fairy tales in order to get rich, fool the stupid (including themselves), ease their fear of death, Pass their guilt along to, Control the masses and get a bit of income. I pity the weak-minded fool who needs the fear of god over him to stop him mugging old ladies.	Metla (12)
396268	2005-10-17 23:50:00	. . . . . One of the limitations of the human mind is that everything has to have a beginning . . . . . . My point exactly, hence we create our Gods to give us some sort of "beginning" . I don't think people have too much problem with excepting infinate time, just in trying to imagine it with the limited resources available . The bible is the oldest book we have and it is testimony to there being a God . If you look into 2 Timothy 3:16, it says the bible is "inspired of God" . This basically means that everything within the bible was written by God . So we can definitely trust the bible . Well i got an email a week or so ago that must be true because it says it is, and because it claims to have been check by some high ranking authority, it cant have viri because somewhere along the way AVG checked it, or so it says . Is there something wrong with my blind faith, or should i believe that the sky is pokadot yellow, blue and purple, and that an attachment called readme-now . exe must be read - now? Maybe the sky is those colors, particually if the observer has been gobbling up natures fungi . Just because a book claims to have credability because of the credability of someone it mentions rather a lot does not give the book any credability, or offer any proof of God, or any proof of the existance of anyone else mentioned in it for that matter . I'm not saying that the bible is wrong, just stating that the logic where we say "the book is right, because the book says so" is seriously flawed . The devil is not something within us . . . . . This one i seriously disagree with . We may choose a path of evil, and in doing so we adopt "The Devil" into our conciousness, our life, our body, and if you like, into our soul . The devil is not automaticly within us, but is definatly within some of the destructive people we may hope not to meet . But of course, i run with the idea that "In the beginning man created God", that being the start of God, and Gods balancing charactor, The Devil . The devil is therfore more a part of us than an external being .	personthingy (1670)
396269	2005-10-17 23:59:00	Musical Interlude... Sing me a song, you’re a singer Do me a wrong, you’re a bringer of evil The devil is never a maker The less that you give, you’re a taker So it’s on and on and on, it’s heaven and hell, oh well The lover of life’s not a sinner The ending is just a beginner The closer you get to the meaning The sooner you’ll know that you’re dreaming So it’s on and on and on, oh it’s on and on and on It goes on and on and on, heaven and hell I can tell, fool, fool! Well if it seems to be real, it’s illusion For every moment of truth, there’s confusion in life Love can be seen as the answer, but nobody bleeds for the dancer And it’s on and on, on and on and on.... They say that life’s a carousel Spinning fast, you’ve got to ride it well The world is full of kings and queens Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams It’s heaven and hell, oh well And they’ll tell you black is really white The moon is just the sun at night And when you walk in golden halls You get to keep the gold that falls It’s heaven and hell, oh no! Fool, fool! You’ve got to bleed for the dancer! Fool, fool! Look for the answer! Fool, fool, fool!	Metla (12)
396270	2005-10-18 00:18:00	Personally I'm pretty relaxed about all this God thing. I mean, if you find it comforting to believe in an invisible man who will condemn you without trial to eternal damnation (hellfire & brimstone option) if you make just one mistake (such as choosing the wrong invisible man) because he is your father and he loves you, well go ahead, I believe in freedom of religious choice. Personally I prefer to believe that internal peace comes from knowing that, to the best of your abilities, you have always done what was right. To err is human and it's how you put it right that counts, because that's what you have to live with. Sure there are people out there totally lacking in morality or conscience, there always have been, and most subscribed to one faith or another. Sometimes they went so far as to use their particular deity to justify their actions, and still do. Eternal life is a biological fact, not a religious issue. Not all people get to enjoy eternal life (the Bible[s] say so) but each and every person who makes it onto on the planet is testament to the immortality of their progenitors, all the way back to the beginning of time. Think about it my brothers and sisters, we are all probably decended from a lump of green slime in the primordial soup. Goes some way toward explaining Vegetarians and the Greens. Cheers Billy 8-{) :2cents:	Billy T (70)
396271	2005-10-18 00:23:00	Just because a book claims to have credability because of the credability of someone it mentions rather a lot does not give the book any credability, or offer any proof of God, or any proof of the existance of anyone else mentioned in it for that matter . I'm not saying that the bible is wrong, just stating that the logic where we say "the book is right, because the book says so" is seriously flawed . This one i seriously disagree with . The bible was handwritten by man obviously . But everything in it was written by God himself . Since its from God, shouldn't we all the more so believe everything written within it? If we can believe the writings of man who is imperfect and makes mistakes, we definitely will have to believe anything written by God who is perfect .	white_lightning (8693)
396272	2005-10-18 00:31:00	This is a total waste of time and disk space. Haven't you lot got anything to do?	Graham L (2)
396273	2005-10-18 00:36:00	If he is perfect why did he let his Hippy son change the gameplan? Before Jebus rocked on up old God was an ass kicker, turn your entire city to salt, Smote your army, send in vipers, floods ,plauges...Push you to give your daughter away to be raped to prove your faith. Mess with him and he would smote the **** outta ya. Then young Jesus rocks up, Goes wow man, thats heavy, Lets not just kill everyone, lets cure the sick,man, lets feed the poor,man, lets hug trees, Lets let the lions eat us man, show them the love.... So, How did God get his gameplan so far off to begin with?, Or is Jebus wrong and his ol boy is just letting him run with it for a few thousand years before stepping back in to smote us all?	Metla (12)
396274	2005-10-18 00:45:00	The bible was handwritten by man obviously. But everything in it was written by God himself. Since its from God, shouldn't we all the more so believe everything written within it? If we can believe the writings of man who is imperfect and makes mistakes, we definitely will have to believe anything written by God who is perfect.According to....wait for it..... the bible! The books credability is based on its own words. There are many books that are written and claim to be the work of God, the ultimate power, etc, why pick this one?	personthingy (1670)
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