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| Thread ID: 62953 | 2005-10-24 21:39:00 | Road user chargers for diesel AND petrol vehicles | tweak'e (69) | PC World Chat |
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| 398961 | 2005-10-24 21:39:00 | just had a wee chat with ltsa about RUC (road user charges) and i learnt a few new things. the weight the licence is issued for, INCLUDES trailer weight and trailer load. ie 2 ton 4x4 + 1 ton load + 2.5 ton trailer/load means you have to have 5.5 or 6 ton RUC lience. now the really werid part is ANY vechile over 3.5 tons gross includeing trailer etc has to have RUC, this includes PETROL vehicles. so most people in a petrol 4x4 towing a decent boat would require RUC, even a falcon/commadore towing a decent boat :eek: . fortunatly you can claim the tax back.....but what a pain. the whole reason for me digging all this up...........the police are issueing tickets for not having a RUC lience or not enough weight on the RUC lience and i could not find anywhere in the ltsa brochures that mentions trailer weight is included in vechile weight. :mad: |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 398962 | 2005-10-25 00:08:00 | I don't think that is correct cos as the trailer is a seperately registered vehicle it must be weighed seperatley. And if the trailer is not a vehicle with a manufacturer's gross laden weight of more than 3.5 tonnes it is not subject to RUC. But when the towing vehicle is weighed the extra weight of the trailer that is on the towing vehicle's towbar will be included in the overall weight of the towing vehicle. So the combination weight of the vehicle and trailer is irrelevant. | Andrew B (867) | ||
| 398963 | 2005-10-25 06:32:00 | Interesting . Is this a new rule that has sneaked through recently or has it been around a while? It seems strange that I have never come across any mention of RUCs being required for big vehicles towing horse floats on the horsie forums that I have visited . They have big discussions on what is the best vehicle for towing and when brakes are required on the floats but the only mention of RUCs that I have seen have been for horse trucks . Rather surprising really, because a double float carrying two large horses can easily weigh in at 5000kg and more loaded up with the beasts and their gear . And I am sure that the owner of an average family boat loaded up with the camping gear ready for the annual summer holiday would get a bit of a shock at just how much weight they are carrying and towing . Seems rather odd to me . |
FoxyMX (5) | ||
| 398964 | 2005-10-25 18:49:00 | Rather surprising really, because a double float carrying two large horses can easily weigh in at 5000kg and more loaded up with the beasts and their gear. Of course one assumes that you have an HT? You've got far more weight behind you than you can drive with a car licence. Generally once thos sort of weight is involved, RUC is expected. |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 398965 | 2005-10-25 20:02:00 | Whoa!! I just checked again and discovered that these horsie types still talk in imperial, not metric. That should be 5000lbs not 5000kg!! I thought it was a bit on the heavy side. :D Still, 5000lbs is well over 2000kg so according to tweak'e's information the vehicle and trailer would require a RUC if that were the case. |
FoxyMX (5) | ||
| 398966 | 2005-10-25 21:58:00 | I don't think that is correct cos as the trailer is a seperately registered vehicle it must be weighed seperatley . And if the trailer is not a vehicle with a manufacturer's gross laden weight of more than 3 . 5 tonnes it is not subject to RUC . But when the towing vehicle is weighed the extra weight of the trailer that is on the towing vehicle's towbar will be included in the overall weight of the towing vehicle . So the combination weight of the vehicle and trailer is irrelevant . with big rig trucks trailers the trailer is weighed seperatly and has its own RUC . however with "simple trailers" they are not weighed seperatly, they add the weight of the trailer and load to the towing vechiles gross weight . i rang ltsa and they confirmed this . the towing vechile and trailer will be weighed seperated to see if your over weight limit for each BUT for RUC purposes its the combined weight that counts . also . i havn't checked fully, but the the weight limit for a class 1 lience (ie car) is also towing vechile + trailer and load . with 2 . 5 ton taken up by towing vechile and tralier it dosn't leave much for the load before your over the 4 . 5ton limit and require an HT lience . no idea how long these rules have been about, i certainly had never heard of it before and its not exactly well expained in the ltsa website . i only heard about it due to people getting fined for it . |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 398967 | 2005-10-25 22:33:00 | the whole reason for me digging all this up...........the police are issueing tickets for not having a RUC lience or not enough weight on the RUC lience and i could not find anywhere in the ltsa brochures that mentions trailer weight is included in vechile weight. :mad: I've just read a few of the LTSA fact sheets especially light simple trailers (13d) and you are right that nothing is said about RUC unless the Trailer is above 3.5 Tonnes. The fact sheets are recent Feb 2005. Have you asked your LTSA contact where you can find his advice in print? |
PaulD (232) | ||
| 398968 | 2005-10-25 22:57:00 | I've just read a few of the LTSA fact sheets especially light simple trailers (13d) and you are right that nothing is said about RUC unless the Trailer is above 3.5 Tonnes. The fact sheets are recent Feb 2005. Have you asked your LTSA contact where you can find his advice in print? i asked, the only anwser i got was "its in the leglistation". so basicly they know the rules, the cops know the rules but they are not telling us the rules. :mad: |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 398969 | 2005-10-26 00:14:00 | i asked, the only anwser i got was "its in the leglistation". so basicly they know the rules, the cops know the rules but they are not telling us the rules. :mad: And they are also out to make revenue at any cost... |
paulw (1826) | ||
| 398970 | 2005-10-26 00:16:00 | Tricky one. Looks like this has been the law for quite some time under the Road User Charges Act 1977. It isn't easy to read or make sense of but having tried, I believe that Tweak'e is correct. The problem for us mere mortals is that the LTSA have the time and the interest (we don't) to concentrate on such laws and find overlooked areas to police. Buggar. :yuck: |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
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