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Thread ID: 63382	2005-11-07 16:25:00	Thank you Auckland Hospital	Eric Richards (6226)	PC World Chat

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402537	2005-11-07 22:55:00	In my opinion we shouldn't waste one solitary health dollar on smokers and later you said you didn't think we should help people who eat and drink themselves to death either.....man you are hard......now how about this; you are driving along goin to work in a busy street full of traffic and you glance out the window to see someone jogging their way to work........later in life this person gets cancer from carcinogens injested from exhaust fumes inhaled while jogging to work.........are you gonna help them ?.......maybe no one who lives in a city should get medical help ?.........what next ?......are you aware of all the chemicals in shampoo for example and how many of them are unpronounceable also how many of them are dangerous ?....do you use shampoo ?......should we treat you when you get sick from all the chemicals you are injesting etc ?......what about treating a skydiver who has a mishap ?.....should we ?...why ?...the bloody fool has jumped out of a perfectly good aeroplane....	drcspy (146)
402538	2005-11-07 23:14:00	It is a far greater disgrace that a disproportionate amount of the national health dollar is spent trying to keep alive people whose sole object in life appears to be to either drink, smoke or eat themselves to death. Sometimes all three..[/i] The health boards are responsible for where the money is spent. But how much is really spent on treating the patients? Take out the amount spent on buildings, incredibly expensive equipment, etc and there isn't that much to go around. Give us some facts not generalisations. Personally I'd terminate treatment if I were the Doctor and put them on palliative care only if they insisted on undoing my work.[/i] Judge and Jury as well, eh Billy?? The number of people I nursed on saturdays in A & E who were there for sports injuries - a so-called healthy preoccupation! Those same diseases brought on by the so-called unhealthy lifestyles are also brought on by inherent or genetic predispositions. Those people forced to be outside and unceremoniously displayed to the Public are not all just patients. They are also a patient's family members who are going through enormous stress and grief, at seeing someone they love dearly, in pain and in some instances dying. Anyone who suggests adding any more to their lot is an unfeeling, inhumane b#$tard! Stop thowing us any more generalisations. I agree with not smoking in Pubs etc. I don't want to make conditions for others unpleasant to endure. But when it comes to hospitals I think there are other ways to deal with this. And as far as I am concerned, those beligerent, pious, self-righteous people who chose this way of dealing with smokers by belittling them should take a long hard look at themselves. Christian my @rse! You disappoint me Billy. I was always a supporter of yours - no more mate, no more.	MMM (5660)
402539	2005-11-07 23:55:00	In my opinion we shouldn't waste one solitary health dollar on smokers and later you said you didn't think we should help people who eat and drink themselves to death either . . . . . man you are hard . . . . . . now how about this; you are driving along goin to work in a busy street full of traffic and you glance out the window to see someone jogging their way to work . . . . . . . . later in life this person gets cancer from carcinogens injested from exhaust fumes inhaled while jogging to work . . . . . . . . . are you gonna help them ? . . . . . . . maybe no one who lives in a city should get medical help ? . . . . . . . . . what next ? . . . . . . are you aware of all the chemicals in shampoo for example and how many of them are unpronounceable also how many of them are dangerous ? . . . . do you use shampoo ? . . . . . . should we treat you when you get sick from all the chemicals you are injesting etc ? . . . . . . what about treating a skydiver who has a mishap ? . . . . . should we ? . . . why ? . . . the bloody fool has jumped out of a perfectly good aeroplane . . . . Sorry drcspy, but you have completely lost the plot, as has MMM . My comments were confined solely to patients with self inflicted illnesses in three categories, alcohol, smoking and gluttony . Since my previous post this morning, I went to collect my mail and had the misfortune to meet up with an old acquaintance I haven't seen for several years, now in a wheelchair, grossly overweight and blind as result of diabetes . I remember when his diabetes was originally diagnosed and watched him continue all the dietary and no exercise behaviours that exacerbate the illness . I feel for his family and for him as a person, but I have little sympathy for his present condition . It was an avoidable outcome . Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
402540	2005-11-08 16:53:00	Interferring old busybody. Well there you go the first anti-opinion on my thread from one pillick that hides behind a false name. How low can they go.	Eric Richards (6226)
402541	2005-11-08 16:53:00	Interferring old busybody. Well there you go a anti-opinion on my thread from one pillick that hides behind a false name. How low can they go.	Eric Richards (6226)
402542	2005-11-08 17:21:00	Sorry Jack Tobacco is the only known (and proven) carcinogen on your list, the others are fine in moderation . BTW, are you actually suggesting that tobacco smoking does not cause cancer, or that doctors and medical researchers are weirdos? Cheers Billy 8-{) I am not suggesting that smoking does not cause cancer . I am suggesting that smoking CAN cause cancer . How is it that no one had heard of lung cancer until the last twenty years?And isn't it strange that all the hooha about lung cancer realy started about the same time as American lawyers decided they could make money sueing tobacco companies . Don't you think that if tobacco is so dangerous , that the govt . would outlaw it? No they are quite happy to go on taxing it . And all the fuss about it gives them a great excuse to keep on increasing the tax . When I was a schoolboy 60+ years ago the best they could come up with was "smoking stunts your growth" . Just as well it does, I'm over six feet tall . Perhaps if I hadn't I'd be seven feet now . Just looking and I notice there are seven buts in my ashtray . When I got up at 4-30 it was empty .	JJJJJ (528)
402543	2005-11-08 18:47:00	.... How is it that no one had heard of lung cancer until the last twenty years?... What a load of bunkum, you're losing it it Jack. As an ex smoker, I'm not violently anti smoking, but I cant stand the twaddle propounded by addicts who try to justify their position with false statements. First read this which says how lung cancer grew with the increase in smoking amongs the hoi-poloi: www.smokinglungs.com but also lets go back to King James I "Have you not reason then to bee ashamed, and to forbeare this filthie noveltie, so basely grounded, so foolishly received and so grossely mistaken in the right use thereof? In your abuse thereof sinning against God, harming your selves both in persons and goods, and raking also thereby the markes and notes of vanitie upon you: by the custome thereof making your selves to be wondered at by all forraine civil Nations, and by all strangers that come among you, to be scorned and contemned. A custome lothsome to the eye, hatefull to the Nose, harmefull to the braine, dangerous to the Lungs, and in the blacke stinking fume thereof, neerest resembling the horrible Stigian smoke of the pit that is bottomelesse." www.thenewatlantis.com By the time of King James, surgeons already knew that lungs got coated in tar caused by smoking.	Terry Porritt (14)
402544	2005-11-08 19:33:00	Interferring old busybody. Its busybodies like Eric that make the world a better place. Good on ya Eric ! :thumbs:	Strommer (42)
402545	2005-11-08 20:31:00	Now now Jack, that is a smoker's view and one that I'd bet would not be shared by very many non-smokers . It is a far greater disgrace that a disproportionate amount of the national health dollar is spent trying to keep alive people whose sole object in life appears to be to either drink, smoke or eat themselves to death . Sometimes all three . Personally I'd terminate treatment if I were the Doctor and put them on palliative care only if they insisted on undoing my work . Boring old Billy, how about we all wrap ourselves in bubble-wrap, stay inside and hook ourselves up to a ventilator . Bubble-boy Billy, hmmm . How about we all live a nice clean-green lifestyle, oops, that dont work either . Its a dead issue, no-smoking in pubs is a win for you hypochondriacs (which is exactly what you are), get over yourselves and move on . Complaints about no smoking outside a hospital Eric, what a loser .	Veale (536)
402546	2005-11-08 20:50:00	As a smoker, If I was supreme ruler, I would ban the sale of it, Its obscene that companies and government make billions selling something that can only kill. Let people grow it at home if they wanted it. All I can say to the Bishop thinking that only he and people that live by his standards should get health care.....WOW.Dangerous thinking. One day everything may be banned and regulated, The world will be grey, and people will still die everyday.	Metla (12)
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