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Thread ID: 63753 2005-11-21 21:57:00 Courier Post lost my parcel Standing_Amazed (7841) PC World Chat
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406199 2005-11-24 23:38:00 I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Lo.It really is the case. I used to work in a vodafone store (among other things).

Normally the people who come into a store with a blacklisted phone are the 2nd victims, they got the phone cheap 2nd hand, or possibly while on holiday. Odd how phones with british branding on them purchased in singapore have a tendancy to stop after a short period. (like say when the owner finds their box, and brings their IMEI no to a store) :)

-Qyiet

edit:most of the time people don't have/can't find/don't care about the IMEI No, so the phone stays live. It's always written on the phone's box, or of you have the phone you can bring it up by typing *#06#
qyiet (6730)
406200 2005-11-25 00:03:00 I always thought that was a case of the phone being locked to a specific provider? If a phone is only blacklisted by Vodafone NZ, I am sure if you took it to another operator (say o2 or Orange) then you can still use it.

As far as I was aware, you could still unlock the phone through software which would mean the lock was more of a security thing for the phone company and not done via an IMEI number?

Lo.
Lohsing (219)
406201 2005-11-25 00:13:00 This article (www.unlockme.co.uk) is pretty good. Says that there isn't an international database as yet. Also says a UK mobile banned in the UK will work elsewhere outside the UK.

Lo.
Lohsing (219)
406202 2005-11-25 00:15:00 Centralised Blacklists may have spread further than UK. www.unlockme.co.uk

There was a big stink in UK as phone theft from bus and train stations was very common.

Edit: Snap! That page may be oldish.
PaulD (232)
406203 2005-11-25 00:25:00 The blacklist is different from locked phones.

A locked phone is a phone that the phone company subsidised, and as such they don't want it to be run on another network. This can be unlocked by obtaining key codes from the phone company that the handset is locked to and typing them into the phone. I'm fairly sure you can patch the software as without those codes, but not through any of the normal channels, and you run the risk of ending up with a brick. Much like modding an xbox.

The blacklist on the other hand is not done on the handset, it happens at the network end, and IS international, it only makes sense most stolen handsets end up in different countries so if you want to make a blacklist of any type it is useless without that.

::edit: reading link posted now.. possibly vodafone internationl runs it's own blacklist, I've seen phones from overseas that won't run because they are blacklisted

-Qyiet
qyiet (6730)
406204 2005-11-25 00:35:00 I contacted the manager of the VF store I used to work at, he's going to talk to VF and get a detailed description of EXACTLY what VF NZ does do for us.

-Qyiet
qyiet (6730)
406205 2005-11-25 19:28:00 I bought the phone from an Asian trader on TradeMe. he seems to have a lot of late model phones for sale. My guess is that he buys them from Asia directly, which is why he doesn't bother with the serial number. So the discussion about the numbers is pointless. Standing_Amazed (7841)
406206 2005-11-25 19:58:00 To be fair, if the IMEI number was given, it could still be blacklisted in New Zealand.

2nd port of call for you if Courier Post don't come through is to make a claim on your home and contents insurance.

Lo.
Lohsing (219)
406207 2005-11-25 23:45:00 My guess is that he buys them from Asia directly, which is why he doesn't bother with the serial number ... Perhaps he knows a courier driver. :D Graham L (2)
406208 2005-11-26 01:14:00 2nd port of call for you if Courier Post don't come through is to make a claim on your home and contents insurance .

Lo .


Generally your contents insurance will not cover goods lost or damaged in transit on a journey to or from your permanent residence, similar to the situation when you are moving homes, you should take out transit insurance .

Although you may have owned it at the time it left the seller you had not taken possession of it prior to the loss, so it's different than losing it say at the beach on a weekend, which could be covered .

Insurers may however allow coverage on an ex-gratia basis (without an admittance of liability for the loss under the policy, or in layman's terms, 'bending the rules'), if they feel their chances of recovery against the carrier are fair .
Jester (13)
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