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Thread ID: 63811	2005-11-23 09:30:00	Ipod vs Piracy?	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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407300	2005-11-23 19:45:00	What would be the point of filling up an ipod completely with music unless you are using it as a backup of your collection? I'm sure most people with the large capasities use them as portable hard drives. The ipod would have to be really well designed to be able to easily search through 80 gig of music for the one song you want.	Greven (91)
407301	2005-11-23 20:27:00	True. I've got a 40GB Ipod. I dont really use it for MP3's. But, if I do, I'll rather use Winamp and its plugin, than use Itunes. I installed Itunes once, enabled the Ipod as a hdd, and biffed Itunes. I use it more for adding contacts/addresses/email addresses, to it from OE, than putting MP3's on it. And podcasts, once i can be bothered installing some software, so I can xfer the podcasts across. Well u could use an IPod as a portable hdd, but it wouldn't be too healthy for it, over a period of time, if u try and run an o/s on it.	Speedy Gonzales (78)
407302	2005-11-23 21:13:00	The ipod would have to be really well designed to be able to easily search through 80 gig of music for the one song you want. The user interface is really well designed, probably the best on the market.	plod (107)
407303	2005-11-23 23:16:00	The music industry shot themselves in the foot with DRM, in my opinion. I would like to support my favourite artists, however i never ever use CD's (My computer is my stereo and i have an iriver (like an ipod) for portable music) - so purchasing CD's is an inconvience and a waste of space. The alternative is CokeTunes or Itunes when it comes out here. My iRiver is unable to play DRM protected songs and XP ensures im reinstalling twice a year - rendering all my legally purchased songs useless. DRM also prevents me copying my songs to my other computer and my laptop, which I connect to my stero to play in my lounge. IMO the music industry will never be able to stop illegal file-sharing, so they should go with "moral" approach, e.g. if you don't pay for music then we won't be able to sign up more artists, reducing your chances of hearing great new artists. Although to take the moral approach they will have to remove DRM and stop sueing 80 year olds grandmothers for they 13 year olds granddaughters downloading. Also (and I realise most people here are conservative and feeling "over-taxed") but I think portable media players and blank cd's should have an extra "artists tax" which is then paid out to NZ artists or NZ on Air - although after NZ on Air payed something like $400 000 for NZ Idol and refused to support 8 Foot Sativa (who manged to get a number 1 album release in NZ) because of their anti-christian lyrics, they've lost my faith a bit. Just my 2 cents	imarubberducky (7230)
407304	2005-11-24 00:14:00	Also (and I realise most people here are conservative and feeling "over-taxed") but I think portable media players and blank cd's should have an extra "artists tax" which is then paid out to NZ artists or NZ on Air - although after NZ on Air payed something like $400 000 for NZ Idol and refused to support 8 Foot Sativa (who manged to get a number 1 album release in NZ) because of their anti-christian lyrics, they've lost my faith a bit. Just my 2 cents Go take a hike.. Why should I pay a tax just get NZ wanabees to release a 5 minute wonder. We do use CDRs for other things other than making copies of audio CDs..... Then again if you pay the tax then I guess you can make copies as the artist have been re-enbusrt by the record companies.... Oink , flap, flap, flap	paulw (1826)
407305	2005-11-24 01:20:00	Fair enough, the CDR comment was more an after thought because i know such a tax or levy exists in other countries. neil.eton.ca Your comment about funding NZ wanabees is also something a agree with if you read my post. "although after NZ on Air payed something like $400 000 for NZ Idol ... they've lost my faith a bit." However it seems we'll probably have to disagree on supporting other NZ bands, like Blindspott and Steriogram, which are reportably huge in Japan and other asian countries, and the D4 and Datsuns, which made it big in UK. (BTW the way, i don't actually like these bands music.) And yes, a tax like this will not stop the music companies bitching about piracy. But then again nor will they stop using DRM, and neither will Microsoft make it OS open source or adopt open standards and i doubt Sony will stop installing rootkits on peoples computer. But we're allowed to complain aren't we?	imarubberducky (7230)
407306	2005-11-24 02:09:00	More expensive Audio grade CDR media has the tax on it, making it more expensive but no better quality then a non-taxed cd. As for music, Release something worth buying and people will buy it. Mass marketing kiddie crap was doomed from the start, Having said that, There "losses" are based on not reaching the market growth they wrote in there wish list plan. Hopefully piracy does ruin them, we need a new model, Corperate whores have caned the life out of the current system.	Metla (12)
407307	2005-11-24 06:55:00	Yeah, but don't forget that Apple runs iTunes too, with a heck of a lot of legal downloads (well not quite in NZ yet).That's what I was going to say, though it wasn't the case when the original iPod came out. However, you do have to remember that most countries do allow you to make a second copy for personal use so iPods, or any digital audio player, don't encourage piracy as such. I can understand why record labels are fans of DRM, but really it is more of a hassle than it is worth. Sony's latest attempt probably drove some people to P2P software and it isn't exactly hard to get around DRM. In saying that though, the music I have downloaded from iTunes has DRM but I don't see it being an immediate problem. I can burn it to CD, copy it to my iPod and authorize it to be played on up to five computers.	maccrazy (6741)
407308	2005-11-24 08:22:00	That's what I was going to say, though it wasn't the case when the original iPod came out. However, you do have to remember that most countries do allow you to make a second copy for personal use so iPods, or any digital audio player, don't encourage piracy as such. I can understand why record labels are fans of DRM, but really it is more of a hassle than it is worth. Sony's latest attempt probably drove some people to P2P software and it isn't exactly hard to get around DRM. In saying that though, the music I have downloaded from iTunes has DRM but I don't see it being an immediate problem. I can burn it to CD, copy it to my iPod and authorize it to be played on up to five computers. Yea, but what happens when you buy a new portable audio player (although considering you're "maccrazy" this probably wan't happen) that isn't capable of playing "FairPlay" encoded audio files. All your legally bought music is now esseintly useless (unless of course yes - you bypass the DRM, but then again that is illegal and at this rate the music industry will still come after you.) As I said in an earlier post I want to support my favourite bands, but when i buy their music, I want it to be mine, not just to the lame extent that Microsoft and Apple allow it to be.	imarubberducky (7230)
407309	2005-11-24 08:41:00	Am I the only person to have noticed that all online music stores are charging far to much for compressed and restricted media? I like the idea of buying online, But at a reasonble cost, Dont think I will touch it unless they get realistic with the pricing. $10 a month for 200 songs sounds pretty good to me, As long as the compression isn't out of whack and I can do what I like with them. As for now, I can listen to Hardradio.com 24 hours a day for nothing, or any other of a thousand other stations.	Metla (12)
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