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Thread ID: 64349	2005-12-12 06:34:00	The Music Of today tripe or not?	Dannz (1668)	PC World Chat

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412081	2005-12-14 02:30:00	Don't worry about it, I wasn't allowed to 'Pollute' my Father's stereo with Bill Haley's 'Rock around the Clock'. Never mind the Rolling Stones & the Beatles. Same for every generation. ;) Great memories of listening to Radio Luxemburg & Pirate Radio on the Trannie (transistor radio)under the bedclothes when supposedly asleep. :thumbs:	Sue (33)
412082	2005-12-14 02:31:00	Imo one of the better albums I have heard, One of the few that I re-buy every year.... Re-buy every year? Not too hard, I guess. I see they've also released a new Best Of... with a disc of Knopfler's post-DS efforts. I also note that despite DS disbanding more than 10 years ago, MK is still one of the highest-earning British artists, in spite of his relatively low profile in the popular media.	Lizard (2409)
412083	2005-12-14 02:41:00	What happened to people actually singing with good "voices". i.e. Annie Lennox. These days, most groups are either yelling, playing their instruments too loud to drown out their voices, or talking, i.e. rap. I suppose quality singing voices, takes talent, training and time. Radio music is aimed at the kiddies, They have no interest in Annie Lennox, rather they go spaz over Crazy Frog, Black chicks and Fifty cent. Record companies are after quick easy money, Talent, dedication, songcraft doesn't get a look in.....	Metla (12)
412084	2005-12-14 03:00:00	Re-buy every year? Not too hard, I guess. I see they've also released a new Best Of... with a disc of Knopfler's post-DS efforts. I also note that despite DS disbanding more than 10 years ago, MK is still one of the highest-earning British artists, in spite of his relatively low profile in the popular media.Annie... OK, have a listen sometime to Tool, probably Ænima, Maynards vocal vary both in range, and intensity.. OK, its largely heavy, or atleast involved stuff, certainly not light pop dribble for the retarded masses, but if vocal range is the issue, well this guys got it from a whisper all the way to an in-tune sustained scream. Julia Deans of Fur patrol is another singer that comes to mind, totally charismic performer, and a Christchurch born lass no less! Much more in the pop mould too	personthingy (1670)
412085	2005-12-14 03:06:00	What happened to people actually singing with good "voices". i.e. Annie Lennox. These days, most groups are either yelling, playing their instruments too loud to drown out their voices, or talking, i.e. rap. I suppose quality singing voices, takes talent, training and time. It's an interesting point, soemthing I considered when I posted a reply waaay back at the start of this discussion, but the fact of the quality of singing is often pointed to when arguing whether some artist is "good" or "bad". I myself have used this when arguing against my younger sister who insisted Nick Carter from the Backstreet Boys was the greatest singer ever. However, having recently read a compilation of thought experiments by julian Baggini, I was considering what it would mean if you had two artists - one who was technically perfect in every important respect (pitch, tone, melody, etc), and one who wasn't, but was "modifed" in post-production to sound "technically perfect" the way the first was (imagine also that this extended to so-called "live" performances. In other words, technology made it impossible to tell the difference between the "bad" singers and the "good" singers. Would that influence our appreciation? This should illustrate whether we value an inherent, though intangible, standard of natural achievement over the end result. Some, though, may prefer the slight imperfections, arguing that this adds to the "naturalism" of the result (the way many prefer LP with it's occasional ticks and hisses over the (usually) smoother reproduction on CD). Trouble is, the thought experiment doesn't help us too much at the moment, as it's relatively easy to spot the "good" singers from the "bad" singers, but it might make you wonder why you value the "naturally good singer" over the "artificially good singer". I suspect it's because people's identity is often connected very closely to their favoured art, and the authenticity of their adopted tastes reflects their own internalised authenticity. [puts down quill] Lizard	Lizard (2409)
412086	2005-12-14 03:10:00	I personally don't expect perfect singers, of which their are only a handful, I do however expect them to sing to the best of their abilities, Rather then just do what sells with the least effort...	Metla (12)
412087	2005-12-14 03:31:00	This should illustrate whether we value an inherent, though intangible, standard of natural achievement over the end result. Some, though, may prefer the slight imperfections, arguing that this adds to the "naturalism" of the result (the way many prefer LP with it's occasional ticks and hisses over the (usually) smoother reproduction on CD).While watching the recent NZ Idol occasionally, the big guy "Jessie" had a raw/rough quality to his voice, which sounded real.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
412088	2005-12-14 03:35:00	Did you watch the Inxs rockstar show?, Some amazing vocal talent, Jordis had one of the best voices I have ever heard, Though it would probally be rendered generic by the album recording process.... If you can get recordings of her singing Barbera O'riley or The MAn who sold the world then be prepared to get blown away, In fact I think you can watch and listen to the tracks at the official site... http://rockstar.msn.com/ rockstar.msn.com	Metla (12)
412089	2005-12-14 04:02:00	But would the Beatles have been the Beatles without the genius of George Martin? Greg . . . as a full-blown Beatle-nut, I say that there's some truth in what you say . . . BUT . . the Beatles were the most spontaneous and live-sounding band that existed in a studio . Geroge Martin made some serious comments on the latest installation of "Brunch With The Beatles" PBS radio, US, about the ability of the Beatles to get the song right first session out of the box and onto tape for publishing . Remember that George was a technophile for clarity and "presence" in music too . . but for a long time the Beatles resisted his input . . . and their songs even of that era still shine . The Cavern and KaisaerKlub tapes prove that they were totally capable of that showmanship with or without a bunch of knobs and dials . Many of the old Decca labels and most of the Deutsche Grammafone cuts were little more than 1-takes with 2-track tapes and minimal studio time . Later on did the Beatles with George Martin (the 5th Beatle) get the studio stuff working . It was he who John Lennon depended upon to get a "new" sound for each and every recording (Penny Lane, Glass Onion, Strawberry Fields, where George got to say a lot more) . From aelon harps to zithers, the Beatles used it all and they don't really have a particular "sound" inasmuch as they did such a flavorfull variety of textures and styles of music . The only truly significant sound they had consistantly was the Rickenbacker guitar that sounded it's own particular voice to many of their records no matter what the digital processing did to it . I will digress a moment here: The Rolling Stones have that "first-cut" sound too . . . they are nothing more than a good garage band anyway . . . unlesss they get into a full studio . The live feelings of their music make it some of the most unforgetable and favorite music in the "new age" . They aren't called the "Oldest Rock Band" for nothing . Maybe "Geriatic Band" is more fitting . . but they aren't slowing down . I have a good friend who records professionally here in Hemet, as there are a lot of studios here from the major labels too . He had a so-called garage band of 13 thru 15 year-old "musicians" who he invited me to hear record one day last summer . They arrived on their bicycles and guitars strapped to their backs . When my friend asked them if they wanted to lay down the drum first, they said "No, we want to take it all first" . It isn't usually done this way as the drums set the whole rythm up for the band and it's kinda hard to isolate the drums from the band when they are all playing in the same room . But that's the way they wanted it . I don't like the style of music they played . . but my god they were good!!!!!! There are musicians out there that really smoke and I'm not gonna get into a urination contest over the good-v-bad music that's out today . There are some VERY TALENTED PEOPLE who just play the wrong music . . that is, music that does not appeal to me or others either . That does not diminish the value of their musicianship at all . Talent is talent . . be it George Gershwin or (fill in a punk-rock name here) .	SurferJoe46 (51)
412090	2005-12-14 05:37:00	100th Post :D And to unspam this post :p: While watching the recent NZ Idol occasionally, the big guy "Jessie" had a raw/rough quality to his voice, which sounded real. Despite that rough quality i still enjoyed his singing.	Dannz (1668)
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