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Thread ID: 64694	2005-12-23 10:35:00	Do you ever experience any guilty conscience whenever you illegally download musics?	Renmoo (66)	PC World Chat

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415300	2005-12-28 09:44:00	I started downloading music from a small radio onto a reel to reel tape recorder in 1960 when I was overseas in the Air Force and in one form or another ever since. After 45 years do I feel any guilt? Like hell I do. Most of the stuff I would get is well dated by now but better quality and still makes good listening.	Jaybee (6629)
415301	2005-12-28 10:27:00	I started downloading music from a small radio onto a reel to reel tape recorder in 1960 when I was overseas in the Air Force and in one form or another ever since. After 45 years do I feel any guilt? Like hell I do. Most of the stuff I would get is well dated by now but better quality and still makes good listening.Which leads to the question of what is actually so new and different about the newer "piracy" techniques? There's been people taking copys of music because they can one way or another for the history of recorded music. So how come suddenly the music industry is making claims about how this is killing the industry blah blah blah and (this is the scary bit) actually being taken seriously by some people?	personthingy (1670)
415302	2005-12-28 11:00:00	Which? You mean the part where I said I didn't give a rats about trying to justify anything? Or the part where I said you should go play pretend cop with Hair dressers? Anyhow, What difference does it make what any moderator thinks of the issue?, their job is to moderate the board, not peoples opinions. In regard to P2P, the only opinion that matters to me is my own. Bill Gates himself could make an apperance, state his view and it would have no bearing on what I think or do, Hell, While we are at it, lets get the Pope and Bin Laden in here as well..... The bit on the hairdresser broadcasting the music bit. I was thinking that since the moderators are so against about downloading music via file-sharing applications such as BT or Kazaa etc., perhaps a word or two from them would add some spices to this thread? Cheers :)	Renmoo (66)
415303	2005-12-28 11:05:00	If you are a successful artist whose music is constantly being downloaded from the Internet without any profit coming in, would you be annoyed?	Renmoo (66)
415304	2005-12-28 11:27:00	They make enough money as it is....	Prescott (11)
415305	2005-12-28 11:31:00	If you are a successful artist whose music is constantly being downloaded from the Internet without any profit coming in, would you be annoyed?No, not at all . I would be aware that the thousands of files being downloaded each day only help to slow down my disapearence into the now standard artsitic death of last years fad . As more notoriety continues, i would know that my sales of CDs would also continue . Promotional costs are reduced as my name is kept in heaps of peoples faces, and i would know that the chances of me playing to a full house is also increased . Even if 75% of my fan base were listening regually to pirated copys, they are keeping me talked about, and in short popular . Popularity is based on all the sheep that buy music buying something they have heard of . if i were to quietly disappear from every HD, and all my burnt disks got destroyed on some car floor and never replaced with working substitutes THEN i would have cause to worry . I have to be well heard not just by the CD buying public, but also by there peers, or the sheep will forget all about me . Filesharing achieves this constant ongoing exposure and continuing coolness just as well as bribing radio stations to play my new music ahead of the compition, and at no expence to me, or more specificly, my record company . Yes i know the RIAA has to bleat like a screaming banchee, but its there job to make the public think i'm somehow being disadvantaged as my CD sales are only enough to pay for me heating 4 of my 6 swimming pools at any one time . Hell, if we don't bleat like banchees, people might question the price of the CDs more, and where the money goes, and how the RIAA does so much to illiminate all that pesky compeditivenes that might otherwise make us cut costs for the consumer . Why would filesharing bother me, unless i was a hopelessly underselling artist who wished to blame his dying coureer on something other than my lack of sustainable talent?	personthingy (1670)
415306	2005-12-28 19:20:00	This is a bit like asking: do you feel guilty sitting outside the gates of lets say Mt Smart (or wherever the venue is now) listening to a concert for free, rather than buying an overpriced ticket just to look at them	Myth (110)
415307	2005-12-28 19:51:00	This is a bit like asking: do you feel guilty sitting outside the gates of lets say Mt Smart (or wherever the venue is now) listening to a concert for free, rather than buying an overpriced ticket just to look at themno, i think that its not at all the same because there is a huge cost involved in setting up and running a single concert of that scale . When Niel Diamond palyed at the Westpac Trust CHCH, i was one of the local crew (loaders / monkeys) There were 11 40ft containers to unload at the back of that venue, plus a couple of rather large trucks, all full of seriously heavy equipment . Because it was all american equipment (110v) 3 transformers of the size you might expect to see every few hundred metres on the side of an industrial street had to be bought in just behind the stage to power it . At least one of these came seperatly from OZ . Every detail of the concert was on similar scale, all for a modest indoor stadium . Niels people had requested 100 local crew to load it in and out . They were only able to get seventy-something of us, but because CHCH has the best local crew in the country, we were able to pull it off . We're that good :D The concert was seriously impressive and memerable, but only because of the rediculous amount of behind the scenes work that goes down each time . Concerts therefore tend to cost alot . CDs on the otherhand cost a lot because one is paying to protect and sustain a long established and largely rundundant distribution network .	personthingy (1670)
415308	2005-12-28 20:06:00	Do the artists still get most the profits from concerts, or have the record companies taken over them aswell?	Greven (91)
415309	2005-12-28 20:51:00	Do the artists still get most the profits from concerts, or have the record companies taken over them aswell?In some cases record companys have paid some of the expences of the concert in order to assure that thier artists get more exposure . The BDO was, and could well still be, partly paid for by by this sort of thing . Of course these gifts often don't come free, no, they cover these expenses, and many other promotional expences by claiming it as an "advance", and adding it to the artists debt that may one day be paid through a small cut of the moneys recieved selling CDs . What the record companys allways try to do is set up a situation like this . We, the company, give you, the artsits managment, $XXXXXX to record and promote an album . You owe us big time You the artist will see very little if any of the money from the sales, because you will have to pay back this debt from your small cut of the action before you get anything . If you don't sell records or honor the contract, we may choose to bancrupt you, because we can . We do this . We own you . There are an amasing amount of artists who have signed contracts to this effect . For the smaller artists there is often little choice, unless they are prepared to run everything themselves . Salmonella dub are one bunch who did just that . S Dub are now turning over NZ$1M+ per year, they call the shots completely, and their record company simply distributes the disks . Not bad for a bunch of guys playing whose first gig was in a small hall at the Westport race track a decade or so ago . They are however an exception to the norm . Concerts are more likely to be run by orginisations that serve the artists interests, but of course the record companys get in the pie often, so the situation is never that clear . Generally the artists work long hours with constant jetlag, and don't make huge piles of coin from concert appearences . What it does do is help them sell CDs for the record companys so that can get ahead on that game, and helps them sell merchindise that tends to bring it's profits closer to home . This is why even major acts are selling Tshirts in the foyer .	personthingy (1670)
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