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Thread ID: 64694	2005-12-23 10:35:00	Do you ever experience any guilty conscience whenever you illegally download musics?	Renmoo (66)	PC World Chat

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415260	2005-12-23 20:24:00	I guess it really depends on what is illegal or isn't . In the US we are legally allowed to rip music off a cd-rom if we actually bought the cd-rom in the first place . We can put it into our hard drives if we are going to listen to it from that source . We can send it to another computer if we are going to be the one that opens and plays that mp3 at the destination . (We must however remove all traces of the cd if we are at some future date no longer in possession of the original disc . ) I guess that is really downloading music files . . right? But, as far as the P2P stuff . . . that is a no-no here . . as I imagine it is in NZ and Australia . There are however iRC sites that are specifically dis-allowed for enforcement on this subject . The US courts have not been able to serve subpoenas or warrants to them as they are not the providers of the files, just the messengers, and as such unless they can be shown as accessories before the fact, they are so far not allowed to seek injunctions or stop orders about this file-sharing facility . Users of iRC sites are so far not being bothered with any threats from the MPAA or the FCC or the FBI . . yet! The conscience part is kinda a grey area though . There are certain licenses that are allowed after the purchase of music or videos that are propitiatory in nature, yet are considered licensed for purposes that are not defined in the US . Ruggid individualism is still practiced here and the old saying about handguns might be miss-appropriated and miss-applied here: "They can take my music/guns from me when they remove it from my cold, dead hands!" Most people don't give a lot of concern over this issue as they see it as a no-brainer anyway . . . if the music is in the public libraries (which it is here in the US) and is offered for free to take home and listen to . . then what's the fuss over uploading and downloading it for the same price (free) on the internet? France has just recently allowed P2P sites to now up- or download at will in freedom and without any threat of legal recrimination . This is a new twist and is being watched by the EU very closely . <For the record, the US does not consider France as a legal bastion of repute and will probably not follow it as a legal precident over this issue either> -- THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS INTENDED FOR THE NAMED RECIPIENT(S) OR SITE ABOVE . IT MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED OR THAT CONSTITUTES ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT . IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS E-MAIL AND ANY ATTACHMENT(S) IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED . IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER BY REPLYING TO THIS E-MAIL AND DELETE THE MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENT(S) FROM YOUR SYSTEM .	SurferJoe46 (51)
415261	2005-12-23 20:38:00	I buy as many CDs as I can afford & download music to decide what CD to buy next. My next purchase will be Aerosmith - Get a Grip (If I can find it). I certainly don't give a **** that ripping CDs is illegal - that is a stupid law that is never enforced. They are lucky I pay them at all with pirated music being so easy to come by without expecting me to pay twice for the same content. I won't be buying digital music until it plays on any media player I own. My CD player can play mp3s, My DVD player can play MP3s, my mp3 player can play MP3s, most modern car stereos can play mp3s. None of those devices can play DRMed files.	Greven (91)
415262	2005-12-23 23:00:00	considering artists are often paid before an album is released, then no, i know that the profits are being taken directly out of the hungry record labels if i pirate music. therefore i just dont care. simple really.Most artists get themselves in a truckload of agreed debt with record companys to pay the cost of recording a CD, and then hope that the tiny percentage of sales revenue they may get will cover the debt. It's a system that is designed to remove risk from the companys. The only people paid up front have allready earnt star status.. The scenario you speak of is a remarkable contract. If you want to support a band, see them at your local pub.	personthingy (1670)
415263	2005-12-23 23:23:00	I do ;) Then don't	bartsdadhomer (80)
415264	2005-12-23 23:36:00	Anyone what to buy a 80Gb hard drive thats half full? :D	EX-WESTY (221)
415265	2005-12-24 00:00:00	I don't when downloading songs that I cannot actually buy here or if they're from hugely popular bands. If they're bands that I like enough, I will buy their music though. However, that's not going to stop me ripping it onto my PC and onto my iPod mini.	Haze (3028)
415266	2005-12-24 03:07:00	I don't as I wouldn't have brought most of what I download anyway. But I am sure the RIAA will add people like me into there formula of "lost profit" which of course is a load of hourse shizers.	Battleneter (60)
415267	2005-12-24 03:09:00	No one here downloads music illegaly. I don't know what you're talking about. :lol:	Dannz (1668)
415268	2005-12-24 03:18:00	[QUOTE=SurferJoe46] France has just recently allowed P2P sites to now up- or download at will in freedom and without any threat of legal recrimination . This is a new twist and is being watched by the EU very closely . <For the record, the US does not consider France as a legal bastion of repute and will probably not follow it as a legal precident over this issue either> Legal action is slow, just do what ya usually do . Make up some excuses about Terrorists or weapons of mass destruction and invade France, who knows you might get lucky and find some more oil there as well . When your excuses are shown to be crap just claim you were freeing the French people from there evil oppressing government, the news media can be brought no problem as usuall, must be able to find a few French people to stand up on CNN and say how happy they are to be invaded . :)	Battleneter (60)
415269	2005-12-24 03:31:00	[QUOTE=SurferJoe46] France has just recently allowed P2P sites to now up- or download at will in freedom and without any threat of legal recrimination . This is a new twist and is being watched by the EU very closely . <For the record, the US does not consider France as a legal bastion of repute and will probably not follow it as a legal precident over this issue either> Legal action is slow, just do what ya usually do . Make up some excuses about Terrorists or weapons of mass destruction and invade France, who knows you might get lucky and find some more oil there as well . When your excuses are shown to be crap just claim you were freeing the French people from there evil oppressing government, the news media can be brought no problem as usuall, must be able to find a few French people to stand up on CNN and say how happy they are to be invaded . :) I dunnow . . . it seems the US gets sucked into everything France screws up anyway . . . let's talk about French IndoChina and the olde Siam, called . . . what was the name of that silly little war that France left all up-in-the-air after trying to colonize it? Hmmmm . . . memory fading . . . fading . . . fadi . . . . .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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