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| Thread ID: 142891 | 2016-10-02 22:16:00 | headlight Cleaning | kahawai chaser (3545) | PC World Chat |
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| 1426849 | 2016-10-17 17:20:00 | What I normally ask for in this situation is: "YMM please?" (Year- Make -Model of your vehicle . . . 'cause it makes a big difference) . The ECM may not be in the lighting system on more modern vehicles, but the BCM surely is! That's: Body Control Module . . . . . which is responsible for: Interior HVAC Entertainment System Identification code Interior lighting Electric seat(s) position and heat Mirror position Gas cap presence alarm (will set a CEL or SES failure code call to ECM too) Lock/unlock doors Keyfob Identification System (KIS) on more uppity cars for now, but coming to your neighborhood soon! Driver ID (see above) Window positions while driving (reports to insurance company - for why I am awaiting clarification) Turn signals G forces in turning, braking and values are captured/retained for 15 minutes before any airbag deployment Seat belts locked and extended for all passengers detection interface - obviously! Running/clearance lights (RCL) - also if parking lights "call" by operator Y/N? after-dark-detection if vehicle is NOT parked VSS readings (vehicle speed sensor interface w-ECM) BOO switch status (Brake On/Off? This is one of the biggies for insurance companies) Parking brake application status DRL or DDL system defeat Backup camera Anti-theft alarm or interlock GPS Cellphone interfaces VOX via Bluetooth . . . or Not? IOT . . . . . . other things as they become added to vehicle systems . Some of this info is what insurance companies want dearly, but they are still not allowed access to it . . . . . yet in the US, but watch California invoke it sooner than later . . . . then the rest of the US will try, state-by-state until it's totally CONUS! Then Sweden and Germany . . . . . . and then the UK . . . . . . and by Royal Edict, so will Australia . . . . and then Youse Guys! So, as you can see, there's lot of exciting things to fail, cease functioning and a plethora of data the you may or may not know about or even like . The biggie is the black box using the cellphone or wifi interface to report to insurance companies and the vehicle registration status to your lending institutions to keep your policies current and disable the vehicle if the authorities want to arrest or incarcerate you or the vehicle, making it easier for the tow companies to find the car when you go too far in arrears for any of the above infractions . So, there's more to computer systems than meets the eye and if the insurance companiesget ahold of permission to download your driving habits and style, then many of us will be in serious trouble, especially in the event of an accident . They'll have infinite info if you tried to stop before the accident occurred and if you tried evasive actions to minimize the insurance company's losses and liability - words in fine print in your insurance policy coverage boilerplate . Not wearing seat belt? No coverage . Speeding before accident? No coverage . Registration lapsed? No coverage . Turn signals not used? No coverage . Alcohol on your breatth? No coverage and a free trip to Devil's Island or (gasp!) Australia! The screeching noise you hear when there's an imbalance in the lighting current is there to let you know that sum tings wong . It tried to put HP LED'S in the headlights on a 2000 Chevy Astro Van and the BCM throws a tantrum . . . . so there's some sophisticated interfaces even in that old of a vintage vehicle too . HTH |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1426850 | 2016-10-17 20:43:00 | OK understand now. But if insurance companies want code data - that means the car manufacture's would be under pressure to release their proprietary diagnostic systems and coding parameters. Plus also to get the coding all correct, sensors, components etc, to sync properly to avoid discrepancies and liability, say in court. The Gene Hackman movie Class Action come to my mind. Insurance would not payout. But a low probability occurrence risk manufacturing fault was discovered. The car company knew it, but costly to retool. I know Car manufacture's won't release data, since I use Torque Pro (play.google.com) (for pulling codes, live data streams, data storage etc) - great app - allows to create your own scripts to make your own live stream data. But parameter ID's are required. One example is to create transmission temp's - but the developer can't get them from say Honda to code it in. They won't give them out. Members in USA Ford 150/250 forums are struggling to make a transmission data capture stream. I reckon too data is been captured on ECU's that can't be easily acceded by the average DIY'r (maybe at least in the litigious USA supplied/made cars) with universal scan tools. Guess you know of Mode 6 code?- supposedly secret captured ECU data I believe. Plus in hex format to convert for legibility or a expensive proprietary scan tool required. Lot going under the hood - or console. Saving data for their insurance for car manufacture's that is. |
kahawai chaser (3545) | ||
| 1426851 | 2016-10-18 03:34:00 | Yeah - I've got Torque-Pro too - and I find it a little less 'intelligent' to use than my good ol' Snap-On Brick. I've upped it to CAN plus the older format of OBD-II. In the US we have the FOI Act whereby we can demand information that may be proprietary, from the manufacturers. We may not always get it, but at least the demand was made for the record. Anyway - I digress...... We have a local situation whereby a driver from Montana was driving in Washington State and was killed by a wrong-way driver. The ECM ratted him out as he didn't have a rear seatbelt on his passenger and the insurance company just walked out on him and his wife is now minus a husband and no accidental death insurance nor UM or Uninsured Motorist payout will be coming either. Several states have gone to No-Fault policies that exclude ANY claim - in either direction* - if someone in the vehicle was in commission of failing to minimize the insurer's losses. * The injured party cannot claim an insurance payout from the driver's at fault insurance company - assuming it wasn't also his company - and his survivors - if there are any - cannot sue his insurance company to pay out either. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
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