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Thread ID: 142817	2016-09-17 06:53:00	The Emperors new clothes	kenj (9738)	PC World Chat

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1426125	2016-09-17 16:32:00	I'm just jealous that I don't own one of his paintings that I could sell. Indeed, the only useful use for such pewk.	Cicero (40)
1426126	2016-09-18 22:58:00	I cant tell the difference between cardboard cask wine and the best $100+ bottles of Wine so there is no difference .Same thing. most dont undertstand (or like ) much of the free jazz from the 60's , that doesnt mean it isnt music Those with knowledge of the art world, can tell the difference between McCahon & a splodge of paint. We dont understand it , that doesnt mean it isnt art, it means we dont understand it. As to value, thats just what the market decides .	1101 (13337)
1426127	2016-09-18 23:16:00	Essentially, the 'experts' are paying for the signature at the bottom of his 'art works'. Apart from that, his only artistic attributes seem to lie in about 10 or so of his efforts that the average person would recognise as 'art'. I reached that conclusion by viewing on-line all of his paintings that are resident in NZ, which is probably most of them. There are many versions on the same theme, and plenty of scrawled letters & words on black backgrounds that had meaning only in the artist's warped mind. He gives the 'Emperors new clothes' a run for their money! Take a look for yourselves. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
1426128	2016-09-18 23:56:00	The "you don't understand" argument can only be taken so far. For example I could see a page of maths that is beyond my understanding, but I wouldn't rubbish it just because I didn't understand it. Also I dislike 'modern jazz' and wouldn't willingly listen to it, or even listen to it to try to understand it. However I recognise that players such as Miles Davis had brilliant talent, such a pity he didn't play in the Bix Beiderbecke style that I enjoy :) However whilst most people can see and appreciate skill, craftsmanship, talent and ability in artistic work even for works that they don't enjoy, there is a lot of stuff out there masquerading as art, such as a pile of bricks on an art gallery floor, and paint daubs, and it would take a lot to convince me and lots of other people that we are not being hoodwinked. I think then the "you don't understand" argument falls down.	Terry Porritt (14)
1426129	2016-09-19 00:06:00	The virgin Mary with a condom over her was shown at the national museum in Wellington, now I think we were being hoodwinked by an idiot, but perhaps someone could explain it's art merit.	Cicero (40)
1426130	2016-09-19 04:43:00	However whilst most people can see and appreciate skill, craftsmanship, talent and ability in artistic work even for works that they don't enjoy, there is a lot of stuff out there masquerading as art, such as a pile of bricks on an art gallery floor, and paint daubs, and it would take a lot to convince me and lots of other people that we are not being hoodwinked. Yes. There are numerous old masters paintings, some I like, some I don't. No denying they had skill though. Now, some "artists", lying on a floor naked while wearing fish...get real.	pctek (84)
1426131	2016-09-19 05:52:00	My daughter was a "professional" artist at the age of 10 - she sold her pictures to kids at school for 10p each, and the headmaster even had one on his office wall.	Greg (193)
1426132	2016-09-19 06:29:00	I cant tell the difference between cardboard cask wine and the best $100+ bottles of Wine so there is no difference .Same thing. most dont undertstand (or like ) much of the free jazz from the 60's , that doesnt mean it isnt music Those with knowledge of the art world, can tell the difference between McCahon & a splodge of paint. We dont understand it , that doesnt mean it isnt art, it means we dont understand it. As to value, thats just what the market decides . I agree with your initial points but when it comes to art I'm very sceptical. The so called experts have had to back pedal and make excuses more than once after declaring something art only to find out it's the random doodlings of a child or an artists dropcloth. Anyone can write white words randomly on a black background, just because an artist does it doesn't make it art. Anyone can draw badly, just because an artist does it doesn't make it art. Still taste is personal I guess. In Hamilton we have some red pipes the council spent silly amounts of money on when we were hosting the V8 supercars. Yes I can understand it, it represents the car tail lights like the images you sometimes see photographers do (which are much cooler and a whole lot cheaper). I still don't think it has much merit as art and dispute it's "value". Also a plumber or engineer could have done it quicker cheaper and better. It is after all just bent pipes painted red on the side of the road. There are a lot of rich and sometimes intelligent people in the world whose tastes in art/music/cinema etc seem to be much more about congratulating themselves on what good taste they have and how much more cultured than the general public they are than anything else. It's just a form of intellectual snobbery. I'll take a $20 poster of a cool dragon over multi million dollar works of "art" any day and get more enjoyment from it too. To me someone who can take an imaginary creature and make it look real and menacing is a truly talented artist.	dugimodo (138)
1426133	2016-09-19 11:01:00	If some person wants to spend $1M + on a painting, any painting, one has to puzzle as to just how they managed to acquire that money. Also, their heirs and assigns are going to be majorly stirred up, far more so than we can manage on a bad hair day, their doctor and pharmacist are going to be seriously concerned at the efficiency of the medication they are delivering. The purchaser is also likely to be getting lots of calls offering the results of chickens being caught short over a piece of cloth, and Rodney Hyde will be wanting to join as curator of the collection. They will probably be an Epsom ACT voter, and so deserve to be charged a fortune for 3 cents worth of damaged paint. Not all Epsom voters are intellectually and morally deprived, but the majority must be classed as good prospects. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1426134	2016-09-20 03:33:00	In Hamilton we have some red pipes the council spent silly amounts of money on when we were hosting the V8 supercars . Yes I can understand it, it represents the car tail lights like the images you sometimes see photographers do (which are much cooler and a whole lot cheaper) . I still don't think it has much merit as art and dispute it's "value" . Also a plumber or engineer could have done it quicker cheaper and better . It is after all just bent pipes painted red on the side of the road . Yes, council\govt employees have no issues wasting other peoples money . Ak council are great at buying expensive "art" no one wants or understands . If they are going to buy art, they should be buying art that the masses will actually appreciate . Art that will hold its value . Not some esoteric piece 99% of the public despises I'm sure your arty red pipes will quietly be bulldozed out & away by the council when no ones looking . :) Speaking of art, does Yoko Ono's No . 9 on the white album stand the test of time ? listen to it or hit the 'skip' button ? No . 9 no . 9 no . 9 pushed peoples buttons back in the day . Now its just meh . Being meh does that mean its no longer art ?	1101 (13337)
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