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Thread ID: 65872	2006-02-03 00:22:00	Trade Me rules question on Refunding bidders	sweetinnocence (7223)	PC World Chat

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426740	2006-02-03 06:00:00	...BUYER BEWARE You missed the real point: SELLER TAKE CARE. You tried it on and didn't get away with it! That might work at car boot sales and computer junque fairs where the price reflects the uncertainty and the seller is pretty much untraceable, but a public auction is an entirely different matter. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
426741	2006-02-03 09:45:00	Trademe won't care. They have their fee which is all they care about. They may bother to tell the person to take it to the Disputes Tribunal but you did say it may not go.... They usually do. I did the exact same thing, got instantly banned without notice, and spent 3 weeks trying to get my account back (they didn't reply to my e-mails).	george12 (7)
426742	2006-02-03 11:07:00	never expected to get $75 for a "As Is Sale" under a $1 Reserve which clearly said "i can't seem to get it working" ..... "so one or the other or both MAY work" ..... think she is a click happy bidder who doesn't read, and even when she mailed me back, i got my auction wording reworded as she saw fit to fit her arguement that i was dishonest and a theif! LOL	sweetinnocence (7223)
426743	2006-02-03 22:49:00	Of course you could have refunded her money given that she was totally unhappy but of course having tested it out and found it was a no goer her "bargain" became an expensive dud . But then you did say "As is" so buyer beware .	dolby digital (5073)
426744	2006-02-04 01:44:00	I see similar things in real auctions . People bid each other up on dead (as in don't light up when plugged in) X-Boxes and other game consoles (with no controller or other accessories) . $60, $80 . . . They'll buy non-working DVD players for $40 or so . The auctioneer always says there's no guarantee; he "knows nothing" about whether the items go . (But he has a very good idea . ;) ) . I sometimes buy such things . But I buy at a price appropriate to a non-working item . $2 or so . :D (Contrary to my first paragraph, I usually won't buy something which does light up . That indicates that the power supply works, and there's some other reason for its being sold . Power supplies can be fixed . The main boards aren't these days . ) . Caveat emptor does apply, surely . Trademe often has listings like 6 non-working laptop hard disks which "you might be able to repair" . Good luck to the buyers . Porcine pilots only to apply .	Graham L (2)
426745	2006-02-04 09:03:00	I see similar things in real auctions . People bid each other up on dead (as in don't light up when plugged in) X-Boxes and other game consoles (with no controller or other accessories) . $60, $80 . . . They'll buy non-working DVD players for $40 or so . The auctioneer always says there's no guarantee; he "knows nothing" about whether the items go . (But he has a very good idea . ;) ) . I sometimes buy such things . But I buy at a price appropriate to a non-working item . $2 or so . :D (Contrary to my first paragraph, I usually won't buy something which does light up . That indicates that the power supply works, and there's some other reason for its being sold . Power supplies can be fixed . The main boards aren't these days . ) . Caveat emptor does apply, surely . Trademe often has listings like 6 non-working laptop hard disks which "you might be able to repair" . Good luck to the buyers . Porcine pilots only to apply . There really are sum twits on TradeMe like those who bid on 'paper clips' or 'ghost's' yes there was a 60 Minute or 20/20 documentary on the sale of Ghost's on EBay . . . . . hey next time i might list 'a box of thin air' and put that up for auction! LOL hmmmm . . . . . .	sweetinnocence (7223)
426746	2006-02-04 18:50:00	There really are sum twits on TradeMe like those who bid on 'paper clips' or 'ghost's' yes there was a 60 Minute or 20/20 documentary on the sale of Ghost's on EBay ..... hey next time i might list 'a box of thin air' and put that up for auction! LOL hmmmm...... I would change it to "thick air" 'cos that's what some of them are, thick Although I do agree that you should not refund I do question your wording - the words 'may' or 'might' to me fit on a scale. When spoken with the right intonation can give these words a degree of certainty. If you had flat out said it doesnt work you wouldnt be having this arguement. The fact that you put AS IS of course means they are dumba55 and should have realised that the risk was 100% theirs.	sam m (517)
426747	2006-02-04 21:37:00	Well on the other side of the coin I quite like buying supposedly shot gear. As Graham L says you can get some bargains and I’m very pleased with most of my purchases so far. But, as Graham L also points out the price must be offset by the risk factor. Having read the auction I couldn’t see me going past $10 but obviously the purchaser saw the risk factor differently and came unstuck. I wonder if the problem was something simple and easily fixed, whether she would have returned it or sent more money? :D	B.M. (505)
426748	2006-02-06 12:27:00	I believe the result will depend on the judge. Since the auction was sold at $75 for the motherboard and most motherboard costs quite a bit then Im sure you have an argument.The word *as is* doesn't mean maybe it will work or doesn't work.If i were to read the auction and saw the word *as is* i would feel that if it works then thats good but if it doesn't then its your loss.Bad luck. I have sold many items at trademe and I am still selling things up at trademe. I certainly wouldn't write the word as is on my 2nd hand auctions. If i were the judge I would probably order you to give the money back to the buyer because you didn't get the motherboard check out before listing it up for sale.Yes you may have written that you don't care if it's broken but the judge may feel that you that you have the intention of tricking the buyer. Some judge talk about documents evidence while other judge consider what their heart tells them as well as evidence. I dont blame her for putting a case against you and i don't blame you for defending. If i was the buyer I would do the same thing as he/she did. The judge might asked you.Why didn't you get it check out before listing the item online? If the motherboard was new you could've taken back to the shop and get it looked at they would replace it with a new one I had a nokia 6260 which was new official hong kong nokia mobile which I sold at trademe.Once somebody bought it at trademe I opened it for testing and found that there was a problem with the mobile and contacted the seller straight away without hesitating and organize the mobile to be reposted hong kong nokia for repairing.The seller was very happy however he didn't want the mobile as he wanted a different model.A Blackberry.I felt ok but we agreed the refund should be $500 and I would kep $100 for the repairing. Is the motherboard under warranty? When was it bought? You would've known that if the motherboard was broken then the buyer would come back to you.Why didn't you get it check out. It's kind of mean.. If you said that the auction that the motherboard is not working.But the word *as is* gives me the feeling that you don't know how to use it.Tricking the buyer.Why didn't you determine the motherboard isn't working?Is the motherboard old?If it's not under warranty then its probably old.I think you would probably know there's something wrong. This is how i feel Can you ask your heart what you did was the right thing?	Ninjabear (2948)
426749	2006-02-06 12:34:00	One sentance *as is* and then sell it. Not a responsible seller thats the intention I am feeling. If you keep this up you will have problems with people complaining you and will have people buying from you. It has some sort of deceiving of the buyer	Ninjabear (2948)
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