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| Thread ID: 65827 | 2006-02-01 07:14:00 | Actrix, or Worldnet broadband? | jesseycy (1046) | PC World Chat |
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| 426066 | 2006-03-09 08:21:00 | A load of waffleWelcome to New Zealand. Feel free to book a ticket back. The ISP's are hogtied based on what's sold on them to Telecom. The people can't do anything, the government won't do anything. Any ISP offering more than 10GB a month is taking a risk as they can get over charged if their users use more than 10GB by Telecom. Actrix and iHug are pretty much the most generous in terms of data allocations. As you may have noticed on the way here, it took about a day to get to NZ from the UK. "The Internet" as it's known and in it's majority is in primarily the US and UK. To get it here there's one fibre link into the country - it ain't as easy as it is overseas. |
ninja (1671) | ||
| 426067 | 2006-03-09 09:11:00 | If Ihug can provided such a better deal than other isp. How come other isp isn't making caps like ihug ? Does Ihug have a gap where they can skip thru telecom? |
Ninjabear (2948) | ||
| 426068 | 2006-03-09 09:46:00 | If Ihug can provided such a better deal than other isp. How come other isp isn't making caps like ihug ? Does Ihug have a gap where they can skip thru telecom?No "gap" - it's just playing the numbers. For every customer an ISP has, they get 10GB of backhaul. They can share that how they like amongst customers. So for every customer that only uses 1GB, they have 9GB available to share amongst the other users etc etc. iHug are playing a much higher risk game than the others (unless they've negotiated a deal which I doubt). However sources lead me to believe that Telecom can't actually measure or bill for the aggregate cap at the moment. |
ninja (1671) | ||
| 426069 | 2006-03-09 10:18:00 | All of the new zealands isp's in my opinion are over priced and completly pathetic when it comes to download bandwidth and upload speeds . A few things you forget about NZ 1 . We only have around about 4 million people compeer to the uk 2 . We are at the bottom of the world compared to the uk & because of this bandwidth costs more then it does in the uk (as the uk is closer to the US etc . . ) 3 . NZ has only had internet access since around about 1995 (so we have only had internet access for around about 12 years) & one last thing is WE KNOW our bandwidth plans suck & there is no need to rub our noses in the salt as we know we are stuffed as our govt is crap & There is NOT much we can do part from wait in till we are at 30th out of 30 OECD countries . |
stu161204 (123) | ||
| 426070 | 2006-03-09 10:38:00 | 3. NZ has only had internet access since around about 1995 (so we have only had internet access for around about 12 years)Try 1989 is a bit closer: www.wlug.org.nz 1. We only have around about 4 million people compeer to the ukThe population size isn't that big of a factor - it's more the geographic spread thats the problem. If we were all in high density housing (a. la Japan etc) it'd be a lot easier to build infrastructure - CityLink worked out in Wellington because it's a compact CBD. The rollout of WiMAX across the country could make the market change significantly 2. We are at the bottom of the world compared to the uk & because of this bandwidth costs more then it does in the uk (as the uk is closer to the US etc..)People forget (and I myself do this) that the capping for Telecom isn't about international bandwidth. All UBS b/w is the responsibility of the ISP providing it - up to them how much they buy, and what over subscription rate they use, and how much they allocate per user. The Telecom capping is about protecting their network. The ATM links holding the countries internet together is what Telecom are trying to protect - the bandwidth off shore cost isn't of relevance to the capping (in spite of Teresa Gattung's thoughts) - capping is an attempt by Telecom to minimise risk and congestion to their stretched national framework. It does have an impact on price (significantly) due to the minimal margins in the product already. |
ninja (1671) | ||
| 426071 | 2006-03-09 11:17:00 | Try 1989 is a bit closer: www.wlug.org.nz OK ihug's broadband roadmap was a bit miss leading :o :stare: The population size isn't that big of a factor - it's more the geographic spread thats the problem. on the telescum forum I ask a few question to some one who is working for telcome: & This is what they said: From: & highlight=#1471" target="_blank">www.telescum.co.nz <snip>For example, a country like United States of America can have unbundled DSL or higher upload speed because they've got a crap load of people living in any given area. New Zealand is no where near that, if anything, I believe we've got something crazy like 50 million sheeps everywhere. Basically its a price thing. </snip> That’s why I say about the people The rollout of WiMAX across the country could make the market change significantly When is that going to happen & how much will it cost?? I would be surprised if it doesn’t cost $90 - $100 NZ |
stu161204 (123) | ||
| 426072 | 2006-03-09 19:27:00 | That’s why I say about the peopleIf the entire population was in an area the size of Auckland, lviing in high density housing (apartments and what-not) it'd be trivial to have a higher grade of jiggahertz, and there'd be more realistic chances for competition to establish their own links. It's the fact that there has to be a link to Bluff for the 3 people on ADSL there, then another link to _hick_town_x for the 2 people there etc etc. Geographic distribution is a big obstacle. When is that going to happen & how much will it cost?? I would be surprised if it doesn’t cost $90 - $100 NZIt's happening at the moment. GASP/NZWireless are working to cover most of the North Island in a short space of time, and they have a lengthy lease on the frequencies which should give them a good head start. It'll be here in the reasonably short-mid term and it should hot things up a lot. They are already doing an Unlimited plan with 256k Intl and 3M national traffic for $70. Nice to see the use of domestice carriage being encouraged, and of course they peer too :thumbs: |
ninja (1671) | ||
| 426073 | 2006-03-09 20:27:00 | Peering is an important detail. Who still peers these days? If everyone peered, we could have cheap, fast unlimited national traffic. |
Greven (91) | ||
| 426074 | 2006-03-09 20:28:00 | Peering is an important detail. Who still peers these days?Pretty much all the major players still peer aside from TelstraClear and Xtra/Telecom. The smarter large content providers (Stuff/TradeMe) peer as well. |
ninja (1671) | ||
| 426075 | 2006-03-09 22:19:00 | Does Orcon / Ihug peers?? | stu161204 (123) | ||
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