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687316	2008-07-11 02:42:00	Hay what about getting an all in one modem/router that would do the job perfectly wouldn't it? And so be better then two seperate devices speed wise and easier to set up etc.? :)	memphis (2869)
687317	2008-07-11 03:19:00	No point in having Cat6 if all his gear is only Cat5e - it will run at 5 speed, not 6. :) Oh ok,I did not know.:)	memphis (2869)
687318	2008-07-11 03:30:00	Hay what about getting an all in one modem/router that would do the job perfectly wouldn't it? And so be better then two seperate devices speed wise and easier to set up etc.? :) Switches need zero setup - just plug and play - if his router is already set up then there is no need to do any setup after the cables are connected.:)	jwil1 (65)
687319	2008-07-11 04:06:00	Switches need zero setup - just plug and play - if his router is already set up then there is no need to do any setup after the cables are connected.:) Unless it's a managed switch... but you wouldn't get one of those for $30, unless it was on trademe	Agent_24 (57)
687320	2008-07-11 04:25:00	As a rule you don't need cat6 cable unless you're after speeds faster than 1Gbps, or there is a lot of interference around and you're doing a long run. For almost all installations, cat5e will do just fine. Cat5e is also a lot cheaper. Cat6 is required for 10Gbps ethernet, but as nobody really makes consumer gear capable of this speed anyway... Note that most of the DSE sellrats don't have a clue what they're talking about - they are there to sell stuff, not to be knowledgable. There are a few exceptions, but they are rare. Generally they know just barely enough to get the stock out the door. He did say 20m of cabel would be needed,so would you say thats a long run and Cat.6 would be better for that or would the Cat.5e be better for that?:) And would the Cat.6 cabel mean that at least it would be as fast as it could be and then you would just need a faster modem/router and of course the ISP and plan as well,which you could do more effortlessly later on.:) Like what I am trying to say is that if you are going to wire up a house use the fastest cabel possible so you dont have to mess around in the attic/under the house later when your older and not inclined/able to do so or unwilling to pay a high price for a tradesman later on in life.:) As for DSE yes some staff are good at what they do and some are not, like all the shops really. I hate it when you ask a shop person about a product that you have read the display tag on and the product box itself and the product as well and so you ask them for more information and then they do what you just did and tell you what you have just found out yourself. And then they tell you "it does not say sir" and I am like "I KNOW IT DOES NOT SAY,THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU!!!" "I WANT YOU TO DO YOUR JOB AND LOOK ON THE COMPUTER AND FIND OUT OR ASK YOUR SUPERVISOR/DADDY/MOMMY YOU IDIOT!!!" :angry -(I dont say this part,I think it and want to say it but I instead go to another shop or go home and do a google search on it and or buy online or I dont bother with the product at all).	memphis (2869)
687321	2008-07-11 04:47:00	if I understand correctly the existing condition is using a plug in telephone extention cable to reach where the pc is located. These are very thin conductors and typically have no twist in the pair so perform terribly for broadband as you've discovered. A simple option is to have another jackpoint installed, or to do it yourself. The kits you can buy from the Wharehouse or DSE should be fine for this, just ensure the cable has two twisted pairs - usually blue/white & orange/white - it doesn't matter which twisted pair you use. The current Telecom standard wire is called homelan and performs roughly the same as cat5, but can't be called cat 5 as it only has 4 wires not 8. If you want a permanent setup for both locations then the suggestions made should be fine, locate your Broadband router near a convenient jackpoint and add a 5 port or so switch at the same place, then run cat 5 or better cables to each PC. this has the added benefit of creating a netowrk if you have more than one pc connected at a time. Don't get caught up in the whole CAT6, CAT5e, CAT5 debate - they all run at the same speed and for normal home use it really makes no difference. Each is a slight improvement over the last standard, but unless you are running cable lengths nearing 100M or running large groups of cables together there is no advantage to be had. Even cat3 cable will work ok for 100M connections if the distance is not far.	dugimodo (138)
687322	2008-07-11 05:31:00	thanks for the replies. my setup was all downstairs because my house was on auction but as it has gone off the market now my brother wants to move back to his room so looks like i'll have to just get another 20m cable, all my cables are cat 6 except the one he is currently using. my one is actually a cross over cable whatever that means.	jamesyboi (6579)
687323	2008-07-11 06:27:00	He did say 20m of cabel would be needed,so would you say thats a long run and Cat . 6 would be better for that or would the Cat . 5e be better for that?:) 20m is *not* a long run . Unless you have some extremely heavy interference around, cat5e is more than enough . Using cat6 here wuld be a useless waste of money . And would the Cat . 6 cabel mean that at least it would be as fast as it could be and then you would just need a faster modem/router and of course the ISP and plan as well,which you could do more effortlessly later on . :) Unless you're prepared to fork out millions of dollars for a 10Gbps fibre link to your front door, or you're trying to run a datacentre SAN or something, then buying 10 gig equipment is pointless - you'd never use the capacity, and it's far from cheap . Like what I am trying to say is that if you are going to wire up a house use the fastest cabel possible so you dont have to mess around in the attic/under the house later when your older and not inclined/able to do so or unwilling to pay a high price for a tradesman later on in life . :) If you're doing a whole house, then yes - this makes a lot of sense . Some new houses these days are even pre-wired with internal fibre! As for DSE yes some staff are good at what they do and some are not, like all the shops really . I hate it when you ask a shop person about a product that you have read the display tag on and the product box itself and the product as well and so you ask them for more information and then they do what you just did and tell you what you have just found out yourself . They usually don't know much, and often customers don't bother to read the box . And then they tell you "it does not say sir" and I am like "I KNOW IT DOES NOT SAY,THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU!!!" Which is why you need to do your own research . . . "I WANT YOU TO DO YOUR JOB AND LOOK ON THE COMPUTER AND FIND OUT OR ASK YOUR SUPERVISOR/DADDY/MOMMY YOU IDIOT!!!" :angry -(I dont say this part,I think it and want to say it but I instead go to another shop or go home and do a google search on it and or buy online or I dont bother with the product at all) . Usually the supervisor doesn't know either, and most of the employees don't know enough to get a decent amount of information off the net - if they don't understand what you're asking, then you're better off looking for yourself . Also note that they don't always have access to the net at large, often it's limited to just the dse site . They're just doing their job as best as they know how .	Erayd (23)
687324	2008-07-12 00:08:00	really? you want me to open the thin white cable and rip out a wire? ... okay XD! NO !! unscrew the cover of the phone jack !!	decibel (11645)
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